They are still in the system - I plan to update the articles section to include both the new and old articles that were originally up, and allow for more to be added as required.
Apologies for the downtime
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Garaffa's articles need serious editing and trimming. They are overlong, badly written, one-sided and out-of-date and there's probably not a single person on earth who has actually been able read any of them fully, lol. Also if they're going to appear on the Homepage as representative, they should be accompanied by balancing articles laying-out the contrary arguments.
And anyway the whole 'Jesus did not die on the cross' and the 'Paul as the inventor of Christianity' arguments have been done to death here in the forums, and everywhere else. They are outdated and one-sided, omitting recent studies and the contribution of figures like Bart Ehrman and of You Tube to the debate.
I personally do not think Garaffa's articles do the IO Homepage any service. But that's just my own opinion, lol
If they belong anywhere, it's in the Member Writing Forum where other writers such as @badger cover the subjects far better and more concisely than Garaffa, also allowing readers to comment.
See The rebels ... from the imagination of a badger
And anyway the whole 'Jesus did not die on the cross' and the 'Paul as the inventor of Christianity' arguments have been done to death here in the forums, and everywhere else. They are outdated and one-sided, omitting recent studies and the contribution of figures like Bart Ehrman and of You Tube to the debate.
I personally do not think Garaffa's articles do the IO Homepage any service. But that's just my own opinion, lol
If they belong anywhere, it's in the Member Writing Forum where other writers such as @badger cover the subjects far better and more concisely than Garaffa, also allowing readers to comment.
See The rebels ... from the imagination of a badger
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juantoo3
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So where would you place Thomas' and my refutations of Mr. Garaffa? I seem to recall including a link to an old discussion Mr G and I had, I wouldn't even know where to begin to try to find that old thread, so I can only hope the link and thread are still active.
There's nothing lost. Garaffa's articles and the responses are all still saved: just no longer front and centre on the homepage. The discussion threads are all still there in the forums.
Perhaps just search the word Garaffa?
juantoo3
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I just went through my old PMs and profile posts, I found the one he left when I was away, just before he passed away. I thought he and I had more private conversations but apparently not.
I can try a search,
I can try a search,
juantoo3
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His user name was Victor
I've found the old articles section and put it up with the new articles - have linked to it from the homepage.
Articles – Interfaith
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Still needs some rebuilding work, but development on the front end continues, though as before it's going to take a while. Main pointer is to get everything working properly before trying to set up a proper theme it can all be eased into. Also, that it's now mobile friendly means it's easier for me to check up and tinker with on an evening with my phone.
In my personal opinion the refutations of Garaffa's articles should be published alongside.
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Thanks for finding those links! Better if we keep that archive bookmarked here for the moment, though. The point of the articles wasn't to start an argument which would need to be presented and balanced on the frontend as much as just generate thought and discussion in general. However, it might be a good idea for me to set up links to those from the articles section at some point - when I'm finally able to give the articles section specifically my full attention for a complete overhaul!
We'll never agree. Garaffa is a very poor writer and his articles are simply bad, imo
The point of the articles wasn't to start an argument which would need to be presented and balanced on the frontend as much as just generate thought and discussion in general.
All goodHowever, it might be a good idea for me to set up links to those from the articles section at some point - when I'm finally able to give the articles section a full overhaul!
juantoo3
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Thank you, gentlemen, for all of your hard work restoring the front end.
I took a quick glance and it looks good so far. Even just linking the counter arguments is better than none at all.
To give Victor his due diligence, I am inclined to believe his claims of thousands of hours pouring over old scholarship, perhaps not realizing how some of that scholarship had since been overturned. That scholarship was also dogmatically focused without consideration of history, and politics, and cultural influences. So when there was the claim that no refutation was even possible, that erroneous view seemed to fuel so many that came after, making similar arguments with far less scholarship.
Then these people would bump into me.
I consider myself very privileged to have talked directly with Victor, and that thread still exists. That led to my "official" refutation, although in hindsight it could have been fleshed out better. I only wish Victor had continued our conversation, but it ended with a simple question I posed to him, and which he never got around to responding.
I am very pleased to see Bananabrain's response to Bobx's Torahx3 tome is linked, that is a classic scholarly discussion that would be a tragedy to lose.
I took a quick glance and it looks good so far. Even just linking the counter arguments is better than none at all.
To give Victor his due diligence, I am inclined to believe his claims of thousands of hours pouring over old scholarship, perhaps not realizing how some of that scholarship had since been overturned. That scholarship was also dogmatically focused without consideration of history, and politics, and cultural influences. So when there was the claim that no refutation was even possible, that erroneous view seemed to fuel so many that came after, making similar arguments with far less scholarship.
Then these people would bump into me.
I consider myself very privileged to have talked directly with Victor, and that thread still exists. That led to my "official" refutation, although in hindsight it could have been fleshed out better. I only wish Victor had continued our conversation, but it ended with a simple question I posed to him, and which he never got around to responding.
I am very pleased to see Bananabrain's response to Bobx's Torahx3 tome is linked, that is a classic scholarly discussion that would be a tragedy to lose.
Well if anyone puts out the challenge to refute Garaffa's windy, badly written, biased and inaccurate articles -- the first challenge must be to actually read them all the way through, lol.
However, having to host them is a small price to pay for having the website back up and running, imo.
All thanks again to @iBrian
Looks like there was a database server crash this morning, but all fixed after a relatively short time. I already have backups so in a worst case scenario IO can be completely rebuild relatively quickly.
Nope..
The database de-servered us...he re-severed us.
Thank ya bud!