Question about politics when only philosophers existed

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Can I ask a question about politics?
How was politics when only philosophers existed?

My question is I think politics asking the virtue courage.
Especially to help the weak.
Weak is normal.
We all are.
Babies are vulnerable.
So I can give more examples.
People are confused between a job you are good at and being a citizens.
What if we had as Socrates called them people of gold who could be exellant politicians.
Can a politician be a Christian?
Is a philosopher an Atheist?

What I mean is in politics we need virtues and Christian values.
We say old and new testament.
Old for revdngive, new for forgiving. In politics we can not be both at the same time. How much freedom does democratize gives us to keep democracy seeing as a healthy thing that does not make us sick?
Where are the boundaries before we have the freedom to act as criminals official by the law and order accepted.

I am confused.
Perhaps I should write this in the catogory mythology.
So, I do that to.
 
I appreciate that English is not your native language, but your English writing skills are such that I find it extremely difficult to follow what you are trying to say.

To the extent I think I understand what you are saying, as a Jew I do not agree that in politics we need specfically Christian values and, as a Jew, I find your characterization of Jewish scripture, what you refer to as the old testament, totally without value.
 
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RabbiO said:
I appreciate that English is not your native language, but your English writing skills are such that I find it extremely difficult to follow what you are trying to say.

To the extent I think I understand what you are saying, as a Jew I do not agree that in politics we need specfically Christian values and, as a Jew, I find your characterization of Jewish scripture, what you refer to as the old testament, totally without value.
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The problem with values is that virtues and morals and ethics are often claimed as being belonging to philosophy. But as a Rabbi you perhaps can clear this up for me. I am born as a Catholic. To know about virtues and angels I needed the books and knowledge of what was called Jewish. What was surprising to me. And it still is to me. But to me you understand my question real well. I of course can not speak English ad well as the native English people can speak. That simply is not possible, because I know, then it becomes music to my ears.
 
spiritualbee said:
Can I ask a question about politics?
How was politics when only philosophers existed?
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I'd say there was no such time. There was politics in the days of the Greek philosophers ...

spiritualbee said:
Can a politician be a Christian?
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Yes

spiritualbee said:
Is a philosopher an Atheist?
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Not necessarily ... atheism is relatively new.

The Greek philosophers weren't atheists.

spiritualbee said:
What I mean is in politics we need virtues and Christian values.
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I rather think we need basic values. The Golden Rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated would be enough.
 
Thomas said:
I'd say there was no such time. There was politics in the days of the Greek philosophers ...


Yes


Not necessarily ... atheism is relatively new.

The Greek philosophers weren't atheists.


I rather think we need basic values. The Golden Rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated would be enough.
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I mean, it take courage to say out loud your opinion. So that takes courage and courage is a virtue. What do you mean with values?
 
TheLightWithin said:
I'm tired of the word salad and talking in circles.
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I feel like her thoughts are like poetry. English is not her first language so we may not completely understand what she is eaying. I feel like we need to show some grace and engage what we do understand.
 
spiritualbee said:
Can I ask a question about politics?
How was politics when only philosophers existed?

My question is I think politics asking the virtue courage.
Especially to help the weak.
Weak is normal.
We all are.
Babies are vulnerable.
So I can give more examples.
People are confused between a job you are good at and being a citizens.
What if we had as Socrates called them people of gold who could be exellant politicians.
Can a politician be a Christian?
Is a philosopher an Atheist?

What I mean is in politics we need virtues and Christian values.
We say old and new testament.
Old for revdngive, new for forgiving. In politics we can not be both at the same time. How much freedom does democratize gives us to keep democracy seeing as a healthy thing that does not make us sick?
Where are the boundaries before we have the freedom to act as criminals official by the law and order accepted.

I am confused.
Perhaps I should write this in the catogory mythology.
So, I do that to.
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For values are you meaning morality? Like not killing or stealing?
 
Faithfulservant said:
I feel like her thoughts are like poetry. English is not her first language so we may not completely understand what she is eaying. I feel like we need to show some grace and engage what we do understand.
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Yes, spiritualbee has reported a language barrier and does speak/write very poetically at times.

I thought the language barrier was the primary or only issue at first, and even complimented something they wrote in one thread as a lovely poem.

Having read several things, remarked several times that I did not understand them, and in fact in one thread RabbiO had a similar exchange with them, that seemed to leave him confused, and he even suggested spiritualbee type in their own language and use google translate. No response that I saw.

Having observed many posts and a few exchanges, I have become much more doubtful that this new member is truly making a good faith effort to make themselves understood.

I also have a hypothesis that they may be the same person as another new contributor who uses word salad but is also more aggressive and confrontational with others.

I could be wrong, but neither seems to be truly making a good faith effort to make themselves understood, and interacting with the two of them, I have become weary.

@spiritualbee, if you are seeing this, indeed your words seem poetic, but hard to make sense of, please consider @RabbiO's suggestion of using Google Translate or something of that kind.
 
spiritualbee said:
an idealistic dream
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What's the worthy of idealistic dreaming? Things arise and decay on causes. Ideal isn't in the frame of the six senses, yet there is a ideal path of practice leading there, good householder.

spiritualbee said:
vision
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As for vision, one can just perceive of what one has met: if having touched ideal, nothing could sake one anymore, knowing the nature of else well.
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
What's the worthy of idealistic dreaming? Things arise and decay on causes. Ideal isn't in the frame of the six senses, yet there is a ideal path of practice leading there, good householder.


As for vision, one can just perceive of what one has met: if having touched ideal, nothing could sake one anymore, knowing the nature of else well.
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I forgot to tell that the vision talked about corrupted businessman. And it destroyed a beautiful dream we now blame but is blameless but beautiful. Plus the dream include the believe in an honest holy and fair God.
 
spiritualbee said:
I forgot to tell that the vision talked about corrupted businessman. And it destroyed a beautiful dream we now blame but is blameless but beautiful. Plus the dream include the believe in an honest holy and fair God.
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So good householder needs to wait till sickness, dispear lose and death approach near to prove if it was worthy to hold on a dream and so much good time to work ways out good wasted. What's the doubt with seeing the dream isn't? Doubting what?
 
Dhammañāṇa Bhikkhu said:
So good householder needs to wait till sickness, dispear lose and death approach near to prove if it was worthy to hold on a dream and so much good time to work ways out good wasted. What's the doubt with seeing the dream isn't? Doubting what?
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It means that philosophers belief in a God and we're not atheists. Atheists belief not in morality. God means morality and being good, honest and fair and it gave value to gold as a coin you can pay with. Libra are the scales to measure with that means that also knowledge of Astrology was involved with the old knowledge that can not be denied.
 
spiritualbee said:
It means that philosophers belief in a God and we're not atheists. Atheists belief not in morality. God means morality and being good, honest and fair and it gave value to gold as a coin you can pay with.
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Dhamma Bhikkhu is a Buddhist. He does not believe in God or soul. Are you accusing him of being immoral, dishonest and unfair in his dealings?
 
Aupmanyav said:
Dhamma Bhikkhu is a Buddhist. He does not believe in God or soul. Are you accusing him of being immoral, dishonest and unfair in his dealings?
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Are there not some branches of Buddhism that believe in gods and souls?
 
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