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Bandit
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I am putting this up for a short discussion on the Lord Jesus over the next couple of weeks.
The death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus.
The death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus.
The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
robocombot
Disciple
Did jesus descend into Hell (or Abrahams Busom?) for 3 days to collect the righteous dead?
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Bandit
Guest
I dont know. I know it is written in there what happened but I dont know how literal it was as far as literally taking the righteous that had passed on. It seems literal, then at other times it seems they also are waiting for the resurrection just like we are. What do you think?robocombot said:
Jesus did descend into hell, but he himself was not left there.
Then there was that part of how graves were opened during or just after the death of the Lord Jesus.
I love the resurrection more than Christmas!
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Bandit
Guest
Matt
6-11 The disciples went and did as Jesus had directed them; they brought the donkey and the colt, and put their cloaks on them, and he sat on them. A very large crowd spread their cloaks on the road, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. The crowds that went ahead of him and that followed were shouting, "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest heaven!" When he entered Jerusalem, the whole city was in turmoil, asking, "Who is this?"
The crowds were saying,
"This is the prophet Jesus
from Nazareth in Galilee."
The crowds were saying,
"This is the prophet Jesus
from Nazareth in Galilee."
lunamoth
Episcopalian
I think this thread is a good idea, Bandit. I have a timeline of the last week from my Bible. Might I suggest that on the days given members here share favorite verses from the indicated events?
Sunday, The Triumphal Entry
Monday, Jesus curses the fig tree, Jesus cleanses the temple
Tuesday, The Authority of Jesus Questioned, Jesus Teaches in the Temple, Jesus Annointed
Wednesday, The plot against Jesus
Thursday, The Last Supper, Jesus comforts the disciples, Gethsemane,
Thursday night/Fri Jesus' arrest and trial
Friday, Jesus' Crucifixtion and death, burial
Sunday, The empty tomb, Mary M. sees Jesus in the garden, Jesus appears to the two going to Emmaus, Jesus appears to teh 10 disciples
One week later, Jesus appears to the 11 disciples, Jesus talks with some of His disciples
peace,
lunamoth
Sunday, The Triumphal Entry
Monday, Jesus curses the fig tree, Jesus cleanses the temple
Tuesday, The Authority of Jesus Questioned, Jesus Teaches in the Temple, Jesus Annointed
Wednesday, The plot against Jesus
Thursday, The Last Supper, Jesus comforts the disciples, Gethsemane,
Thursday night/Fri Jesus' arrest and trial
Friday, Jesus' Crucifixtion and death, burial
Sunday, The empty tomb, Mary M. sees Jesus in the garden, Jesus appears to the two going to Emmaus, Jesus appears to teh 10 disciples
One week later, Jesus appears to the 11 disciples, Jesus talks with some of His disciples
peace,
lunamoth
lunamoth
Episcopalian
The Triumphal Entry
12The next day the great crowd that had come for the Feast heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. 13They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna![c]” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[d] “Blessed is the King of Israel!” 14Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written, 15“Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion;
see, your king is coming,
seated on a donkey's colt.”[e]
16At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.
17Now the crowd that was with him when he called Lazarus from the tomb and raised him from the dead continued to spread the word. 18Many people, because they had heard that he had given this miraculous sign, went out to meet him. 19So the Pharisees said to one another, “See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”
(John 12:12-19)
12The next day the great crowd that had come for the Feast heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. 13They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna![c]” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[d] “Blessed is the King of Israel!” 14Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written, 15“Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion;
see, your king is coming,
seated on a donkey's colt.”[e]
16At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.
17Now the crowd that was with him when he called Lazarus from the tomb and raised him from the dead continued to spread the word. 18Many people, because they had heard that he had given this miraculous sign, went out to meet him. 19So the Pharisees said to one another, “See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!”
(John 12:12-19)
lunamoth
Episcopalian
The Coming of Zion's King
9 Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion!
Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem!
See, your king comes to you,
righteous and having salvation,
gentle and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
(Zechariah 9:9, NIV)
9 Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion!
Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem!
See, your king comes to you,
righteous and having salvation,
gentle and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
(Zechariah 9:9, NIV)
Basstian
In Search
Nice post luna
I once met an athiest who blasted me and what I thought I knew about this subject.
Jesus Gave a sign the Sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights
Mt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
if you look at your time line there is no way it fits with a friday crucifixion.
you would have to count backwards from sunday counting it as the third day
I will use the names of our days and nights to explain.
third day -Sunday 1st day of week
third night- Saturday night
second day-Saturday 7th day of week
second night- friday night
first day- friday 6th day of week and a Jewish High sabbath because of passover John 19:31
first night- thursday 5th day of week
Crucifixion- on thursday during the day.
He was in the grave before the High sabbath began. Now I know that goes against the simple sunday school version but it is kind of like the wise men at christmas it seems it was easier to put them right at the birth of Christ and shove the crucifixion from friday to sunday but the math wont work that way.
I hope this doesnt offend anyone but I like the truth and am old enough to handle 3+3 sometimes the sunday school stuff has to be retold as adults with a little deeper study.
P.S I have that same time line in the back of my Bible but it still doesnt make the math right. Sorry to mess up Good Friday
I once met an athiest who blasted me and what I thought I knew about this subject.
Jesus Gave a sign the Sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights
Mt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
if you look at your time line there is no way it fits with a friday crucifixion.
you would have to count backwards from sunday counting it as the third day
I will use the names of our days and nights to explain.
third day -Sunday 1st day of week
third night- Saturday night
second day-Saturday 7th day of week
second night- friday night
first day- friday 6th day of week and a Jewish High sabbath because of passover John 19:31
first night- thursday 5th day of week
Crucifixion- on thursday during the day.
He was in the grave before the High sabbath began. Now I know that goes against the simple sunday school version but it is kind of like the wise men at christmas it seems it was easier to put them right at the birth of Christ and shove the crucifixion from friday to sunday but the math wont work that way.
I hope this doesnt offend anyone but I like the truth and am old enough to handle 3+3 sometimes the sunday school stuff has to be retold as adults with a little deeper study.
P.S I have that same time line in the back of my Bible but it still doesnt make the math right. Sorry to mess up Good Friday
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Bandit
Guest
something inside always tells me it was not a literal 72 hours.
he rose on the third day not as if there had to be this specific 'waiting period'
When the spirit of Jesus went back to God, that was it. DOA
they were so concerned about his resurrection they had to put guards there to watch it but only up to the 3rd day.
he rose on the third day not as if there had to be this specific 'waiting period'
When the spirit of Jesus went back to God, that was it. DOA
they were so concerned about his resurrection they had to put guards there to watch it but only up to the 3rd day.
B
Bandit
Guest
yes indeed we shall Lunamothlunamoth said:
. this is our hope and victory, washed in the blood of the Lamb.
juantoo3
....whys guy.... ʎʇıɹoɥʇnɐ uoıʇsǝnb
Kindest Regards, all!
Just two cents to add that might help. The "High Sabbath" referred to just after Jesus' death on the cross was the Passover, not the "common" weekly Sabbath. Passover can fall on any day of the week. So, if Jesus did indeed rise on Sunday, which I am in no position to argue, then the High Sabbath must have fallen on a Thursday by our calendar. Jesus would have given up the ghost about 3pm Wednesday, about the time the sacrificial lambs were being slaughtered in preparation for Passover, and the veil in the Temple was rent from top to bottom exposing the antechamber. I have not taken the effort to look into the astronomical calculations to confirm this (Passover is reckoned by the lunar calendar), in part because of the confusion created by the Gregorian correction to our calendar. Perhaps somebody with a little more time might like to look into it and try to figure it out? And I am open to correction from a more learned person of the Jewish persuasion in my assessment of Sabbath keeping and Passover preparation.
Just two cents to add that might help. The "High Sabbath" referred to just after Jesus' death on the cross was the Passover, not the "common" weekly Sabbath. Passover can fall on any day of the week. So, if Jesus did indeed rise on Sunday, which I am in no position to argue, then the High Sabbath must have fallen on a Thursday by our calendar. Jesus would have given up the ghost about 3pm Wednesday, about the time the sacrificial lambs were being slaughtered in preparation for Passover, and the veil in the Temple was rent from top to bottom exposing the antechamber. I have not taken the effort to look into the astronomical calculations to confirm this (Passover is reckoned by the lunar calendar), in part because of the confusion created by the Gregorian correction to our calendar. Perhaps somebody with a little more time might like to look into it and try to figure it out? And I am open to correction from a more learned person of the Jewish persuasion in my assessment of Sabbath keeping and Passover preparation.
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Bandit
Guest
yes Juan I have thought of this too. I am still not sure it was the yearly unleavened bread passover. A plural "Sabbaton" in Mt 28:1 refers to weekly Sabbath.juantoo3 said:
"High Day" of Jn 19:31 refers to weekly Sabbath, not 1st day of unleavened bread (I think)
Mary brought spices on Sunday (after sundown Saturday). I believe after sundown was considered the next day, like we consider 12 AM the next day.
I dont think the last supper was a literal passover either.
The disciples did not know that Jesus would be dead the following day and there is no mention of a passover lamb in preparation. Jesus was that lamb.
So far I see the gospels are all in one accord.
It would be good to ask in Judaism like you mention and see what NewAgeNerd or the others see in that, except they dont understand Jesus was the passover lamb.
Here is a link using the NJKV.
http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/po-eat.htm
lunamoth
Episcopalian
Dear Bass, Bandit, Juan, Everyone,
I was not trying to start a debate about the days, just trying to find a way to honor God and enjoy fellowship with you all. As I said the timeline came out of my Bible and I'm not worried at all about whether it is literal-factually correct. However, following it as I posted would put us in synch with the majority of the members of the Body, which is meaningful to me.
However you decide is fine with me.
peace,
lunamoth
I was not trying to start a debate about the days, just trying to find a way to honor God and enjoy fellowship with you all. As I said the timeline came out of my Bible and I'm not worried at all about whether it is literal-factually correct. However, following it as I posted would put us in synch with the majority of the members of the Body, which is meaningful to me.
However you decide is fine with me.
peace,
lunamoth
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Bandit
Guest
I know Lunamoth. However one decides is fine with me too. it is not something I want to debate either. I think the scriptures turned out the way they did on purpose to keep us coming back to them. Good soul foodlunamoth said:Dear Bass, Bandit, Juan, Everyone,
I was not trying to start a debate about the days, just trying to find a way to honor God and enjoy fellowship with you all. As I said the timeline came out of my Bible and I'm not worried at all about whether it is literal-factually correct. However, following it as I posted would put us in synch with the majority of the members of the Body, which is meaningful to me.
However you decide is fine with me.
peace,
lunamoth
.Our church still passes out palm leaves on Palm Sunday and we make a pass through the isles of the temple with the branches at the beginning of service singing. Then the children get the branches at the end of the service and they take the lead passing through the temple singing. It is really a neat service.
Does anyone else still wave the palm branches?
Basstian
In Search
I think every one will agree with that Luna
The important thing is the tomb is empty and the stone rolled away.
If anyone waved palm branches in my neck of the woods they would be plastic. LOL
The important thing is the tomb is empty and the stone rolled away.
If anyone waved palm branches in my neck of the woods they would be plastic. LOL
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Bandit
Guest
I am starting to see something different about this guys. Check out this site and let me know what you think. What I am seeing is there may have been one of the two lambs eaten the same night of the last supper. For some reason I still see it as preparation and everything still falls into proper timing considering the way they viewed the hours then.
(sundown on thursday would actually be friday) see?
this certainly does not have to be a debate at all, but there is no reason why we cant fellowship and discuss it like brothers. That would be a real blessing.
http://www.cin.org/users/james/questions/q060.htm
(sundown on thursday would actually be friday) see?
this certainly does not have to be a debate at all, but there is no reason why we cant fellowship and discuss it like brothers. That would be a real blessing.
http://www.cin.org/users/james/questions/q060.htm
Basstian
In Search
I used our modern days and the midnight to midnight just to make it easy to understand.
But yes it seems Jesus was crucified on the the 4th day of the week and in- tombed buy the beginning of the 5th day (Our thursday evening/Jewish beginning of Friday) calling that period the first night in the grave.
I think it is awesome that the passover was fullfilled even in the grave the rest of the sabbath the presenting Himself in Jerusalem as was required by the statutes of the time.
In other words the creation of our salvation was completed in the same way as the creation of the world. With sunday the 1st day beginning a new week and a new beginning for us as believers.
The only reason I had brought this up is because so many details and things that had been symbolic in times past where in this one week fufilled in the flesh. These little details show a God that doesnt change. The God that lead the children of Isreal out of Egypt is the same God that raised our Saviour from the dead. Every part was very important and every detail a blessing to know the truth of.
But yes it seems Jesus was crucified on the the 4th day of the week and in- tombed buy the beginning of the 5th day (Our thursday evening/Jewish beginning of Friday) calling that period the first night in the grave.
I think it is awesome that the passover was fullfilled even in the grave the rest of the sabbath the presenting Himself in Jerusalem as was required by the statutes of the time.
In other words the creation of our salvation was completed in the same way as the creation of the world. With sunday the 1st day beginning a new week and a new beginning for us as believers.
The only reason I had brought this up is because so many details and things that had been symbolic in times past where in this one week fufilled in the flesh. These little details show a God that doesnt change. The God that lead the children of Isreal out of Egypt is the same God that raised our Saviour from the dead. Every part was very important and every detail a blessing to know the truth of.
lunamoth
Episcopalian
Just looking for a place to share these words of comfort:
Looking forward to tomorrow's discussion about the fig tree and Jesus at the Temple:
lunamoth
Looking forward to tomorrow's discussion about the fig tree and Jesus at the Temple:
lunamoth