How to see God everywhere and in everything

Hey 17

In truth, I didn't quite understand your point until those last few words.
I whole-heartedly agree with what you said, but it isn't what I was talking
about. I meant that when have, or tap into (I'm not sure which, and am also not sure if it matters) that love, that unthinking, unquestioning love, we see God in all.
 
17th Angel said:
I trust my eyes becuase what I see is what is happening
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How do you know?
17th Angel said:
Sure if jehovah magically appeared and a voice boomed down "I am god!!!" I would take a note of it lol... But I see no true evidence to believe in such a being...
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Me too.
 
I know because I can see it... Example I know I am at work being lazy and slacking and typing on a religious forum. Next door Godzilla could be writting a shakespear play.... I don't believe it because I don't see it. If I saw it I would believe it. So when a book says; "there is this guy called jehovah and he made the world and he made you." I simply don't believe it because in my eyes... He HAS to proove himself to me, not me to him....

Why did you underline "such" ?
 
17th Angel said:
Do you have this love?
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Glimpses. It's fantastic.


Not right now though, I'm sitting here sweating my bollocks off because Taiwan is so humid, and I could happily go and butcher the neighbor child who's practicing the violin.
 
17th Angel said:
I know because I can see it... Example I know I am at work being lazy and slacking and typing on a religious forum. Next door Godzilla could be writting a shakespear play.... I don't believe it because I don't see it. If I saw it I would believe it. So when a book says; "there is this guy called jehovah and he made the world and he made you." I simply don't believe it because in my eyes... He HAS to proove himself to me, not me to him....
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Fair enough

17th Angel said:
Why did you underline "such" ?
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Because I don't believe that God has to take this form.
 
Interesting we are quite different, yet seem to peacfully respect each others posts... Not really used to that. One more thing Cavalier, this amazing love you so describe, once you obtain this, you can see god in everything... As you have also said you have a few moments where you experience this, would that be with loved ones and family? Or with complete strangers... Also because, you do not fully experience this does that mean you cannot see god?
 
17th Angel said:
haha that sounds delightful. :D
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And that's the great thing. I'm a little worried this might sound pretentious but what the hell?
I can now see that in some ways that boy playing his fiddle oh so badly is actually a great thing, after writing that post telling you about it I started to laugh.
Maybe this is the voice you were talking about.
 
17th Angel said:
Interesting we are quite different, yet seem to peacfully respect each others posts... Not really used to that.
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It's good isn't it.
17th Angel said:
One more thing Cavalier, this amazing love you so describe, once you obtain this, you can see god in everything... As you have also said you have a few moments where you experience this, would that be with loved ones and family? Or with complete strangers...
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Yeah, anyone.
17th Angel said:
Also because, you do not fully experience this does that mean you cannot see god?
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I don't really know, maybe not, or maybe everyone has had glimpses, some bigger, some smaller.
 
hey 17th, I know what you're saying about God. If a scientist says water boils at the same temperature every time, you can't just believe it. You have to sit there with a thermometer and a beaker trying it out. And hopefully you can get away with melting biros while your science teacher isn't looking...

But if religionists say you have to search inside you for God or enlightenment until He confirms himself, you can't sit and wait for a huge voice from the sky. You have to sort of try out all the techniques like prayer or chanting or whatever one you're investigating with an open mind and make your own mind up based on the results.

If I was skeptical about science, I could try out any of the experiments for myself to see either way. If I'm skeptical about religion or God, then there are thousands of years worth of writings and practise to try out for yourself before you decide either way.

"There's nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game. It's easy..."
 
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17th Angel said:
The topic? "how to see god everywhere and in everything" So this god is in war and in crime and in poverty and in pain and in suffering and in darkness? Quit looking with my eyes? I only trust my eyes... Nothing else.
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We have not seen air but we know it exists, Someone may disagree, but it will still continue to exist.
Once a wise man told me, to distrust somebody, first put your faith into him, and if he fails you, then only you have the right to distrust.
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To put one's complete faith in a total stranger does not sound like a wise plan. I trust conditionally. I.E. if I do not know someone, I give them the benefit of the doubt that they are trustworthy.

However what I will trust them with will remain very limited. As I get to know them better I learn that I can trust them more and I will trust them with more. Others I learn are to be trusted with very little.

There are plateaus though. My deepest trust goes only to those I believe in completely. Even there one takes a chance.

One of the seemingly ever popular myths about people is that their trust is static. If you can trust 'J' 75% of the time does not mean that you can always trust 'J' 75% of the time. Life events both thrilling and drastic affect us all differently. People change. Someone you once trusted completely could turn on you if the circumstances are just so.

That may sound cynical; I do not mean it to though. To my way of thinking it is simply a recognition of the reality of human interactions. People are never static. It is wise to watch out for that.
 
17th Angel said:
The topic? "how to see god everywhere and in everything" So this god is in war and in crime and in poverty and in pain and in suffering and in darkness? Quit looking with my eyes? I only trust my eyes... Nothing else.
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I think the quote is misunderstood. Seeing god in everything refers to everything good and also even in elements such as the wind. Its finding god in a situation or source.
 
In the eastern paradigm, ultimately God is not separate from man. He does not 'watch' or 'control', but merely is, and 'is' the essence of everything. There is no evil in this view.
 
I view the Vedic religious traditions as a part of and in the context of all religions throughout history. In and of itself, like other religions, reflects and ancient cultural perspective of the human relationship with the Source some call God(s). The universal spiritual experience of humanity does not reflect any one ancient paradigm such as any one nor all the religions that are expressed in the Vedic traditions.
 
Senthil said:
In the eastern paradigm, ultimately God is not separate from man. He does not 'watch' or 'control', but merely is, and 'is' the essence of everything. There is no evil in this view.
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I agree that there is no such thing as a positive evil source or a positive dark nature of reality. Evil was a belief of ancient paradigms to describe the human dark side. and natural tragedies that befall humanity.
 
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