Christ's Kingdom?

Hello, and Peace to All Here--

If I might attempt to answer you, Proph1--

I am a believer in Christ. Perhaps it is the spirit in which you seem to say what you have to say. Welcome to CR--I am not a moderator or anything, but I think you might find that if you look deep enough--maybe take some time and read a little about the people here and what has been posted over time, you might see that there are many here who are not opposed to the central message of Jesus Christ.

My understanding regarding this forum is that people may speak freely about their beliefs--I see that you have that part down. But the idea is to do so in a respectful manner, considering the faith of others (including Christians--regardless of what many may think, we are a complex bunch!)

I am only trying to help--maybe you would benefit more (and glory God more) if you will just take it a little easy--I mean, you just got here, right?

InPeace,
InLove
 
You're right! Please excuse me if I get to worked up, as I often do when I talk about the Bible and such. Also, I am fully aware that there are divisions in the Christian faith. I want you to know that I personally beleive we can disagree on many of the nonessiental issues. However, as for the core fundamentals, as Chrisitans we must unite on them and agree. Of course, being a Christians you do know the essentials - that Jesus died, and rose to save mankind from sins. That he is both Man and God. That he alone is the way to God. If you dont agree...well, I'll say my piece in discussion of course. But, like you suggested, I'll try to do it in a nicer manner.

Thanks!
 
Hi, Proph 1,

LOL--I am not swift of hand or eye, and I messed up my five log-in attempts. I had to wait fifteen minutes:) .

Anyway, you will be okay--just remember, God is Love--you know that. That is why He could "send" His Son.

It is late, and now I am really logging out--

InPeace,
InLove
 
Proph 1 said:
Are you saying I cant preach to Christians in a "Chrisitan" Forum?
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right. that is what he is saying.
you can't preach anywhere at CR but you can make some friends here if you try. i have a pastor who preaches & teaches & he is a true shephard to me. i don't need another one.

so NO. dont preach. share your beliefs & listen to other beliefs. ask & answer questions, but dont preach the answers & questions.

if you really want to preach, you could ask God to guide you as an evangelist or missionary or find a good church home. but you know it takes a whole lifetime to become a pastor or a bishop...so remember that.
 
Proph 1 said:
Bible prophecy always come true the way the Bible says it will! The JHW's have been making endtime predictions since they came out in the 1800's and not one came true. The Bible says if a prophet speaks a prophecy that is not true, they are not of God, but a false prophet. To be a true Prophet of God you have to be correct 100% of the time!

The JHWs have made many of false prophecies. The sad thing is, most of them in dont even know their own history, and so they follow this cult. Now please dont think Im being mean, Im not! I love these people, and it just hurts me that they blindy follow after a cult, and not the true Jesus. I get so pissed!

Ok, Im venting now. God Bless everyone, and sorry!
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the important thing to do as a follower of Jesus christ is to listen to him ,and Jesus told his followers to keep on the watch ,that is why his true followers will always be watching out for the signs that Jesus left us , so as you say Jehovahs witness have always been very aware of the times we live in .i think the confusion ariseswhen people who may not have the correct thinking on the (end of the world) .the earth , will not come to an end but manmade rulership will .in fact in the 1905 sept 1st watchtower magazine it warned that there will be more war ere long ,also stating that a great cataclysm would start in 1914.also as early as 1879the magpointed to 1914 as a significant date and in later years it noted that bible prophecies in the book of daniel pinpointed that date as the time when Gods kingdom was established in heaven(matthew 6;10)so while 1914 was not the time for the kingdom to take complete control of earths affairs, it was the time for it to begin its rule.so that kingdom that is spoken of in Daniel 2;44has now been set up in the heavens while the existing kings on earth are still ruling themselves.that kingdom with christ as king,started gathering here upon the earthGod-fearing people who wanted to be ruled by this kingdom(isaiah 2;2-4)(matthew 24;14)revelation7;9-15)so 1914 was the beginning of the last days of man ruling himself.that is my belief and i find it so very very thrilling to be living at this point in history every thing is coming true just as the bible says it will . jesus foretold that the start of this time periodwould be marked byworld wars, food shortages ,disease epidemics, devastating earthquakes, and increased lawlessness,as well as the cooling off of peoples love for God and man.yes this was the beginning of distress...matthew24;;3-12
 
Bandit,

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question that was not directed to you. However, since you did invite yourself into the conversation, let me explain myself. When I said "preach" all I ment was discussing what I believe. I didnt mean to litterally preach to you guys. How can I, when all I can do is type written words? That said however, I dont agree with you that it takes a lifetime to become a pastor. You see, anyone born again, and reborn with the Spirit of truth, will know the truth. And, while we are not all called to be preachers, we are all (God's People) called to preach. That is all I mean when I say preach - witness the word.

Later!
 
Mee,

I'd like you and I to discuss the JW's version of the Bible vs Mainsteam Judo-Christian beliefs. I know we both have strong feelings and convictions to our beliefs, but I am willing to leave my preconcieved notions behind to talk with you brother to brother. I gladly call you brother because you are a believer in Christ as the Son of The Most High God. Yet, I do believe you are in err for many things. It is because of this that I would like to have a friendly debate. A wise man once said:

"The only certain barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it."

Would you be willing to leave behind your preconcieved ideals to hear and consider something different?

Thanks!
 
Proph 1 said:
Mee,

I'd like you and I to discuss the JW's version of the Bible vs Mainsteam Judo-Christian beliefs. I know we both have strong feelings and convictions to our beliefs, but I am willing to leave my preconcieved notions behind to talk with you brother to brother. I gladly call you brother because you are a believer in Christ as the Son of The Most High God. Yet, I do believe you are in err for many things. It is because of this that I would like to have a friendly debate. A wise man once said:

"The only certain barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it."

Would you be willing to leave behind your preconcieved ideals to hear and consider something different?

Thanks!
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as one of JW i have already left behind my preconcieved ideas many years ago to hear and consider somthing different so i am sure you will see me around this board with all the other posters of different beliefs dont worry , most of the people on this board think i am in err LOL
 
Cool. I'll start a topic just for us. Before I get to that though, I'd like u to check out the link I left for you in your Private Message.

Later!
 
Postmaster said:
It is said and even by Jesus Christ himself that his purpose was to teach truth. There is know doubt about Christ's divinity, even after his existence we still see and read about miracles that come with the Christian faith.

What I can't understand is, there are Muslims and Jews that do not follow this mans teachings and even massive amounts of eastern religious people that do not even believe in the existence of God or a spiritual after life.

Maybe the kingdom that Christians enter after life is Christs? and he is the king of it? Also what did Jesus actually mean by calling himself a king? The bible says he was a descendant of King David, could he have meant it literally? Or is it purely spiritual?
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This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom....luke 1; 32;-33 so jesus is the one in the line of David who will rule Gods kingdom,would you not agree?but the bible tells us that it will not be on the earth but in heaven

But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of [the] living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels....hebrews 12;22

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(Revelation 21:2) I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

Jerusalem is used in the Bible to represent the Davidic kingdom

But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." (Galatians 4:26)



 
Proph 1 said:
Bandit,

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question that was not directed to you. However, since you did invite yourself into the conversation, let me explain myself. When I said "preach" all I ment was discussing what I believe. I didnt mean to litterally preach to you guys. How can I, when all I can do is type written words? That said however, I dont agree with you that it takes a lifetime to become a pastor. You see, anyone born again, and reborn with the Spirit of truth, will know the truth. And, while we are not all called to be preachers, we are all (God's People) called to preach. That is all I mean when I say preach - witness the word.

Later!
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you sound like someone else i know who has been here a couple of different times already. :confused: i wonder who that could be.

it does not matter, because the way the board here is set up right now anyone can speak in any thread that is started because it is a group discussion board & there is no place to do a one on one.

you are right we disagree. if you know the bible then you would know what it takes to become a pastor or a bishop- you dont sound like a very good preacher to me & definately not someone i would accept as a pastor.:)
 
I never said I was a preacher, just that I preach. Or better yet, witness.

Later!
 
Bandit said:
you sound like someone else i know who has been here a couple of different times already. :confused: i wonder who that could be.
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I was thinking the same thing... ;)

A question for Mee:

I've been wondering for a while why you always capitalize the word YOU when you quote from scripture. Does it mean it applies to us, but not to yourself???? Is it a JW thing?

lunamoth
 
lunamoth said:
I was thinking the same thing... ;)

A question for Mee:

I've been wondering for a while why you always capitalize the word YOU when you quote from scripture. Does it mean it applies to us, but not to yourself???? Is it a JW thing?

lunamoth
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oh ,i never really noticed that , but that is the way it is in the bible i am using ,so i thought it would be best to put down how it reads in my bible ,i might be wrong but i suspect that because it is a word for word translation that it is meant to be that way.i could be wrong , something to look into thou. dont worry i wasnt pointing the finger at any body :)
 
tommy said:
Hey Proph, welcome to CR. A cult has a leader, like a pope or a father. The JW's have neither. Most of them have read the entire Bible line by line, have you? If you have it talks about Jesus' main commandment which is to love one another like Jesus loved you.
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A cult is a group of people devoted to beliefs and goals which may be contradictory to those held by the majority of society. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream. (Wikipedia Encyclopedia)

Catholocism for example: is not identified as a cult, Nor is Baptist, Lutheranism, Calvaryism, Penacostalism, Anglicanism, Episcopalianism, or other mainstream Christian faiths. However, Jehovah's Witness movement is identified as a cult (though it is now considered such under decreasing consensus), as is Scientology.

One to think about.

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Constable:
This was the same issue you as a moderator were correcting Proph the other day for attacking another ones faith. I posted for a while on Catholic Answers and found then all to be like Proph. I posted on the Cleveland forum and found them to continually attack each others faith and act like little kids. I was simply defending the "attack" from Proph. I liked this site because it didn't happen here and found true christian brotherly love here from most everyone, something sort of amazing on a forum. I am only a Bible Student trying to find what my faith is.

Some define a sect to mean a group that has broken away from an established religion. Others apply the term to that who follows a leader. The term cult here is used in a derogatory way as JW's were not an offshoot of any religion and include people from all walks of life that have jobes like you and I. They do not look upon any human, only Jesus as their leader.

A cult is a religion that is said to be unorthodox or that emphasizes devotion according to a ritual. Our group has been a kind loving group of true Christians that really care about us and has helped us with many family matters and we study out of a lovely book, called the Family Happiness Book that ties scriptures into making the family stronger. We do not believe in war or anything that hurts someone else and believe the key to true happiness is a sincere devotion to Jehovah God through Jesus, that was Jesus' only other commandment other then love the one you may hate.

The standard for what is orthodox should be Gods word and Jehovah Witnesses stick to the Bible very strickly and encourages their members to read it daily, something other facets of religion choose to ignore.

Their worship is a way of life not a ritual, which would be a cult. There are 6,000,000 of them out there and during my 40 years I have checked out a lot of religions and this one has made a HUGE difference in my families life. Lots of love to you, tommy
 
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Gonna "correct" you on the same concept. Your definition of a cult is not mainstream. You can't attack, or criticize other "faiths" without being subject to critisism, yourself! YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS!!! Get it?

Your faith isn't mainstream. And it is young. (Young minds fresh ideas, must be tolerant...).

That does not mean the rest of the Christian world must listen to rhetoric, and can not respond back. (oh my, that sounds like Mohammed in the begining of Islam).

You do not want me for example to show how Catholics have all the right answers, and you are completely wrong...now do you? I assure you, there are people (besides me), that can pull up Christian dogma from every part of this faith, and would bury any other part of the faith...

You be nice, we'll be nice.

Oh, and I didn't make up the rules about what a cult is, and what it isn't. You can scream at others for that.

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Quahom1 said:
A cult is a group of people devoted to beliefs and goals which may be contradictory to those held by the majority of society. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream. (Wikipedia Encyclopedia)

Catholocism for example: is not identified as a cult, Nor is Baptist, Lutheranism, Calvaryism, Penacostalism, Anglicanism, Episcopalianism, or other mainstream Christian faiths. However, Jehovah's Witness movement is identified as a cult (though it is now considered such under decreasing consensus), as is Scientology.

One to think about

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yes this is something to think about ,in fact ,if we look at when jesus early followers were on the earth we can see from the bible that they were acused of being radicalwith views and pratices that clashed with what was eccepted as normal behavior and where did it come from, the religious leaders of the day.
The principal men of the Jews in Rome accurately described the situation of Jesus’ followers when they acknowledged: For truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against.—Acts 28:22.​

Evidently, this new group established by Jesus Christ was considered by some to be a religious group with radical views and practices that clashed with what was accepted in those days as normal social behavior. Undoubtedly, many today would have considered the Christians a destructive cult. The accusers were often prominent and respected members of the community, and this seems to have added weight to the allegations. Many believed the accusations against Jesus and his disciples. Yet, as you probably know, every one of these charges was false! The fact that people said these things did not make them true.........food for thought i thought:)

 
Anyway getting back to the kingdom, as this is about the kingdom thread. the kingdom was the focus of Jesus teaching , he said,I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God .he said ,because for this i was sent forth ...luke 4;43christ commanded his disciples to share that same message with others ...matthew 28;19-20This good news of the kingdom he foretold will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come....matthew 24;14 so does anyone tell others about this good news of a better goverment, with christ as king of that rulership?Yes the kingdom is Gods means of expressing his sovereinty over the earth psalm 2;7-12 daniel 7;13-14
 
i dont think it is good to call any bible believing denomination a cult. Neither do i think it is fair to call any of them a heretic.

none of them have it all & neither do i. they all lack because they spend too much time trying to prove each other wrong.
2000 years of dogma & goop since Jesus. killing, slandering, backbiting.

i am the least of the least of all denominations & all religions singled out together but i am still standing. we hurt each other when we do this & i think it hurts Jesus even more.
 
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