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we may have hugged a vampire b4 & not known it. i used to look for two holes in peoples necks for proof they were a vampire, but i never seen any. though i have seen other things that make me wonder.
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Bandit said:we may have hugged a vampire b4 & not known it. i used to look for two holes in peoples necks for proof they were a vampire, but i never seen any. though i have seen other things that make me wonder.
lol, that is kind of a 'Count Dracula' movie thing, I would say that Vampires have no scar on their throats/necks or wherever biten. It heals and dissapears... and only the cuts and scars they had before embrace remain.
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My final view on this thread;
To be a Vampire is the worst thing that can happen to anyone, your fate is sealed and you allready know your worst enemy who shall make you meet your maker, and that can be yourself, as you know one day you will wish for the killing and cold blooded agression to cease. Just take a moment to think what it must be like? To have some person pinned to the floor who is begging for mecy yet you cannot stop you have to feed.... Doesn't seem a "cool" lifestyle to me.. :|
Early morning, sorry I am ranting...
To be a Vampire is the worst thing that can happen to anyone, your fate is sealed and you allready know your worst enemy who shall make you meet your maker, and that can be yourself, as you know one day you will wish for the killing and cold blooded agression to cease. Just take a moment to think what it must be like? To have some person pinned to the floor who is begging for mecy yet you cannot stop you have to feed.... Doesn't seem a "cool" lifestyle to me.. :|
Early morning, sorry I am ranting...
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Vampires go back to the original "sons of God" in the bible. in Gensis, their is a point where the "sons of God" have "relations" with the daughters of men and produce children that are, among other thing, an abomination (soul-less) in the site of GOD i.e Giants or Nephilim.
The 1st actual vampire spawned from that blood line. (hence the unusual strength and long life spans and other un-human like qualities).
Their population grew large enough that they and humans clashed often and they actuallly began to eat humans because resources became scarace because of their greedy nature. So GOD sent a flood to destroy them.
Noah and his sons survived along with their wives.
As the human population grew so did the amount of women. So the "sons of GOD" entered the scene again a short time after noah died.
LOT had to flee soddom and gohmorah so that GOD could destroy that city, because of the Nephilim infestation. i.e. Angles sent to do the job because humans could not do it.
Notice whenever a city gets destroyed by "GOD" it is because non-humans are mixing with humans and producing things like vamps.
To make a long story short. Vamps are the deccendants of the Nephilim.
The 1st actual vampire spawned from that blood line. (hence the unusual strength and long life spans and other un-human like qualities).
Their population grew large enough that they and humans clashed often and they actuallly began to eat humans because resources became scarace because of their greedy nature. So GOD sent a flood to destroy them.
Noah and his sons survived along with their wives.
As the human population grew so did the amount of women. So the "sons of GOD" entered the scene again a short time after noah died.
LOT had to flee soddom and gohmorah so that GOD could destroy that city, because of the Nephilim infestation. i.e. Angles sent to do the job because humans could not do it.
Notice whenever a city gets destroyed by "GOD" it is because non-humans are mixing with humans and producing things like vamps.
To make a long story short. Vamps are the deccendants of the Nephilim.
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Ug! I'd heard the Lilith link before and a variation on the Nephilim one as well, then there's Wes Cravens take on Dracula- were he's Judas (intriging idea that one) I'd also heard that the first vampire was the Roman spearman who pierced Christs side on the cross, then there's the folk lore version, the Eastern myths, I think there's so many different versions I'd just say hang it all and hope I never meet one if they're real. (the Cain links a new one to me- sounds interesting tho.)
Hi Phil –
There's a rich Christian alternative to the tale of the Centurion who pierced the side of Christ at the Crucifixion.
In Christian mythology he is Longinus the Spearman, supposedly serving with his legion on police duties because he was going blind from cataracts.
The spearthrust was akin to 'the legionnaire's cut' in which a comrade would despatch a mortally wounded compatriot, to avoid further suffering, by a swift thrust through the ribs to the heart.
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Legend has it that a drop of fluid ran down the shaft, and at its touch his sight was healed. Legend also holds he kept possession of the spear, a Hebraic symbol of temple authority (and not a Roman pilium, if memory serves), and this was the Spear of Destiny ...
Longinus converted to Christianity, as did the whole of his cohort. Later, when the Romans were reinstating the cult of the emperor, Longinus refused to offer sacrifice, and so did his men ... in the end the whole legion was executed.
The story is conflated with that of St Maurice, who was the commander of the Theban Legion, so named because raised in Thebias in Egypt, and Christian to a man. The Theban Legion was called by the Emperor Maximian to undertake a persecution of Christians in Gaul in 286AD, but they refused.
As a result, following normal practice, one man in 10 was selected by lot for execution, and killed. The remainder still refused. Another 10% were executed. Now the Thebans complained to Maximian, who was enraged and ordered a general execution. The legend says the entire legion, 6,666 men, were put to the sword.
The death of Maurice, a Christian legionnaire, I think is authentic. The execution of the legion is possible (not beyond belief, the emperors were terrified of army revolts and would have dealt harshly with any refusal). The area of Thebias is the area of the Desert Fathers, hard-core Christian, but the story itself is apocryphal, so there is no supporting evidence.
Thomas - off topic again!
There's a rich Christian alternative to the tale of the Centurion who pierced the side of Christ at the Crucifixion.
In Christian mythology he is Longinus the Spearman, supposedly serving with his legion on police duties because he was going blind from cataracts.
The spearthrust was akin to 'the legionnaire's cut' in which a comrade would despatch a mortally wounded compatriot, to avoid further suffering, by a swift thrust through the ribs to the heart.
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Legend has it that a drop of fluid ran down the shaft, and at its touch his sight was healed. Legend also holds he kept possession of the spear, a Hebraic symbol of temple authority (and not a Roman pilium, if memory serves), and this was the Spear of Destiny ...
Longinus converted to Christianity, as did the whole of his cohort. Later, when the Romans were reinstating the cult of the emperor, Longinus refused to offer sacrifice, and so did his men ... in the end the whole legion was executed.
The story is conflated with that of St Maurice, who was the commander of the Theban Legion, so named because raised in Thebias in Egypt, and Christian to a man. The Theban Legion was called by the Emperor Maximian to undertake a persecution of Christians in Gaul in 286AD, but they refused.
As a result, following normal practice, one man in 10 was selected by lot for execution, and killed. The remainder still refused. Another 10% were executed. Now the Thebans complained to Maximian, who was enraged and ordered a general execution. The legend says the entire legion, 6,666 men, were put to the sword.
The death of Maurice, a Christian legionnaire, I think is authentic. The execution of the legion is possible (not beyond belief, the emperors were terrified of army revolts and would have dealt harshly with any refusal). The area of Thebias is the area of the Desert Fathers, hard-core Christian, but the story itself is apocryphal, so there is no supporting evidence.
Thomas - off topic again!
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maybe off topic but its an interesting (and vaugly related) story- I had been aware of it before just didn't mention it because it wasn't 'vampy' enough. Just one quick question, is there a book (or collection of books) that relate tales such as Longinus and the other storys that have sprung up around the crucifixion?
Not that I know of, but I'd be interested myself if there was such a thing! I'll have a nose round my resources, and if anything comes up, I'll let you know.
There are books about the 'Spear of Destiny' as the lance was called - and plenty of stuff on the internet.
I can add to the mythology myself, I had a book called "The Spear of Destiny" which I am convinced was not the Ravenscroft book, but pre-dated it, and from which Ravenscroft drew his information. I had it, and lent it to a friend, and never got it back ... and now I don't know it's title nor its author.
Thomas
There are books about the 'Spear of Destiny' as the lance was called - and plenty of stuff on the internet.
I can add to the mythology myself, I had a book called "The Spear of Destiny" which I am convinced was not the Ravenscroft book, but pre-dated it, and from which Ravenscroft drew his information. I had it, and lent it to a friend, and never got it back ... and now I don't know it's title nor its author.
Thomas