to late it already hasQuahom1 said:I'll believe it when I see it, and until then I'll pray it doesn't come to pass...
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mee said:to late it already has
Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ ...........revelation 12;12
the signs are all around us , we are living in critical times (2 timothy 3 ;1-5) its all coming true , why did Jesus leave us signs to look out for? so we would know where we were in the stream of time, we would recognize the time of the end.Quahom1 said:fine, show me the proof (evidence).
mee said:the signs are all around us , we are living in critical times (2 timothy 3 ;1-5) its all coming true , why did Jesus leave us signs to look out for? so we would know where we were in the stream of time, we would recognize the time of the end.
In mentioning "the signs of the times," Jesus indicated that his first-century Jewish listeners should have been aware of the urgency of the times in which they were living. The Jewish system of things was about to experience a cataclysm that would affect all of them. A few days before his death, Jesus spoke to his disciples about another sign—the sign of his presence. What he said on that occasion is of vital importance to everyone today.
Pico said:I don't know where I read it, either the gospels of the Bible, or maybe one of the Apocrypha on this site; but Jesus was casting out a demon(s) from somebody and the demon said "You have no right to torture us before the 6000 years are up." I remember distinctly the demon saying 6000 years.
Now I also know that conservative creationists (myself included) belive that the Earth is some 6000 years old based on the time-table of the first people from Adam to.... someone past Noah. 6000 years seems fitting, since "6" is the number for man, and also of the Beast of Revleations (man was created on the 6th day). So taken from that it seems like the time is getting pretty close to when the apocalypse may come.
yes you are right, we dont have to worry because we are full of joy and know that at the appointed time it will happen just as the bible tells us so .As true christians we are steadfast in doing what Jesus told us to, and we are alert to the times we are living in. and we are ready because we did not fall asleep to bible prophecy and chronology ,we know just where we are in the stream of time . yes we should live each day as if Armaggeddon could come tomorrow. are we doing what jesus asked us to do . or have we fallen asleep. i am so glad that someone did a good thing for me , by acting on what they had learned from the bible and did not become distracted . it has given me the chance to gain everlasting life . the illustration that you mentioned , i think it is the one about the sheep and the goats , is one of my favourite illustrations, ...matthew 24;31 if we help , we are helping Jesus also , but if we dont help them we are rejecting Jesus also.Quahom1 said:Why indeed? He didn't. He told us to not fret over the time of the coming, for none but the Father knows the appointed time. Therefore be steadfast, sober, alert and ready, do not be caught asleep.
What Jesus was/is telling us is to live today and plan for tomorrow, but live each day like it is the last day (in otherwords my friend, be most excellent to eachother).
We are only allotted 24 hours at a time...spend that time wisely. If we wake up the next morning, get on our knees and thank God for another day.
If however we keep looking for a better tomorrow, we forget to live today to its fullest, hence we are not being good stewards of the time we've been given. We miss opportunities to help others, because of our distraction (searching the clouds for His return). Meanwhile while our eyes are focussed on what will come to pass, we miss the tug on our pant leg, of someone in need of our attention right now. And as you know, Mee, what so ever we do or do not do to the least of these, we ultimately do or do not do unto Jesus...
That is the message Christ imparts to us in Scripture.![]()
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In my understanding of Creation, there is a union of two natures - human and divine -- which takes the form of an alliance that evolves in existential time. This alliance -- which is represented in numerous Covenants -- makes possible a new synthesis of world realities. The potential for this alliance was there from the start. The first covenant was the one Adam and Eve entered into. The alliance developed and more complex rules were spelled out in greater detail later on.Quite possibly Pico. However God in scripture made it quite clear that His ways are not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts, and His Time is not our time...for a thousand of our years can be but a day of His, and a thousand of His years can be but a day of ours...
That is where we get into trouble, because we conveniently forget that "fact". God's and our time are not the same
And there was me thinking the anti-Christ was Napoleon.![]()
As I see it, it is happening right now. As Jorgen Moltmann put it, Christ was not a historical revelation of G-d in history. Rather, Christ communicated the end of history. G-d is rebuilding the world this very moment. That is, He is in effect making history obsolete even as He reveals its brokenness and disorder. G-d is the creative power, the power of resurrection that was made visible for Christ: "He creates everything anew. Before Him, this world is manifested in its disorientation, its injustice, and transience." (p.136)"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:35-36)
Maybe tomorrow ... maybe in 10,000 years ... no-one knows.
I agreeIn my understanding of Creation, there is a union of two natures - human and divine -- which takes the form of an alliance that evolves in existential time.
What covenant did Adam & Eve entered into ?This alliance -- which is represented in numerous Covenants -- makes possible a new synthesis of world realities. The potential for this alliance was there from the start. The first covenant was the one Adam and Eve entered into. The alliance developed and more complex rules were spelled out in greater detail later on.
The Genesis covenant would appear to be a simple law covenant with this probit: " Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:16-17).What covenant did Adam & Eve entered into ?
This is he commandment God gave to Adam who gave it to Eve.The Genesis covenant would appear to be a simple law covenant with this probit: " Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:16-17).
?The first covenant was not redemptive in nature. It's purpose evidently was to establish the parameters of G-d's jurisdiction. So it was different from the later covenant agreements in that regard.
I agree, starting from Moses God's providence moved to the national level. Jesus came for the world all humanityThe later ones were also different in scope. The first covenant was with an individual (Adam). Jesus communicated a worldwide universalization of the agreement.
Adam shared it with Eve. The human fall went in reversed order. Eve accepted Lucifer commandment, then shared it with Adam who went along with it and did not follow God's commandment.Based on the Genesis narrative, I think one could argue that G-d only entered into an agreement with Adam, not with Eve. Does that mean there was no agreement with Eve?........?...................
I have never heard God's commandment to Adam called a covenant beforeI am not sure what you are getting at.
Did they accept it initially?This is he commandment God gave to Adam who gave it to Eve.
They did not follow it and were chased out of the garden. Is there a reason you still call it a covenant since one party rejected it ?
How do you know this?Adam shared it with Eve.
The concept of temptation suggest that it was a matter of choice.The human fall went in reversed order. Eve accepted Lucifer commandment,
I see all of G-d interactions with humankind as having the quality of a relationship that involves some understanding of terms. In other words an agreement of sort. An agreement with the Divine could be said to be a divine covenant.I have never heard God's commandment to Adam called a covenant before
This is he commandment God gave to Adam who gave it to Eve.
Adam shared it with Eve.
Genesis 3How do you know this?
Genesis 31 Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden (A) '?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, 'You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die. (B) ' "