Messiah--what are your thoughts?

[wil]

don Miguel Ruiz- four agreements..

1. be impeccapble with your word
2. Don't take anything personally
3. Don't make assumptions
4. Always do your best.

We are always playing on the edge of fire, dangerously close to the heat, but we are adults and enjoy the warmth and comaraderie, we just gotta put up with the smoke in our eyes every now and then...

For the most part all major hair on the back of the neck issues I've seen have come from #3 above. Many posts are just not complete and succinct in their thought and others fill in the blank utilizing #3 and then go straight to abusing #2 and forget to do #4.

I love this place, the openess and willingness of the participants and the circumnambulation that ensues. No need to back off due to disagreements, just continue the exploration...it seems we are often just a few posts away from finding if not common ground, an acceptable understanding of each others belief...

 

[Quahom1]

Hi Q,

I don't expect you to leave me alone, nor do I even want that. What I would like, however, is to not feel disrespected when I read your posts. I can work on this from my end to an extent, but I have to tell you that I am having a hard time with it. Because of that, I'd like to ask you to be a bit more open in our discussions. When you type things like, "Nope. I'm right on this one," that does make me feel disresprected and marginalized. It's like you just told me your side of it, then turned your back on me and walked away. Not a nice feeling...

...One important question that arises then, for me, is: do we want only those that can fit into the cookie mold to survive, or do want to have a vibrant, diverse community of bricks, sh!t, people, wolves, ladybugs, creeper vines, and purple cacti?

I'm sure you can guess my answer.

Respectfully,
P

Agreed, and I guess it works both ways. When I am told outright, or my thoughts are inferred as in error, or stupid, or quaint, or outdated, my hackles rise as well.

Sometimes, I don't rattle my sabre, I just draw it and thrust (something I always have to watch out for and work on). Unlike others who could care less about one, my concept of "messiah" usually keeps me in check.

Personally, it doesn't matter if one other than me accepts a messiah or not. They express their thoughts and I express mine. I do not care however, to be looked down the nose at. That really bothers, me...

So I suppose we are of similar cut of cloth in that regard (you and me).

Hand is extended, other hand is akimbo and visible at the side, let's shake and be done with the tussle...

v/r

Q

 

[Pathless]

Agreed, and I guess it works both ways. When I am told outright, or my thoughts are inferred as in error, or stupid, or quaint, or outdated, my hackles rise as well.

Sometimes, I don't rattle my sabre, I just draw it and thrust (something I always have to watch out for and work on). Unlike others who could care less about one, my concept of "messiah" usually keeps me in check.

Personally, it doesn't matter if one other than me accepts a messiah or not. They express their thoughts and I express mine. I do not care however, to be looked down the nose at. That really bothers, me...

So I suppose we are of similar cut of cloth in that regard (you and me).

Hand is extended, other hand is akimbo and visible at the side, let's shake and be done with the tussle...

v/r

Q

Deal.

::flipping through dictionary to find out what 'akimbo' means::

 

[taijasi]

Deal.

::flipping through dictionary to find out what 'akimbo' means::

I dunno but it rhymes with Tikki Tikki Timbo, which I think is a story about a kid & a well, and much fun because of the ridiculously long name ... (now I'm going to have write a poem )

andrew

 

[seattlegal]

To clear up my perspective on the idea of the "moral compass":

Personally, I don't believe that people are inherently corrupt, but I do agree that we can lose our way if we do not put the proper introspective effort into our lives. And I would also agree that it is exceedingly easy to lose our way very quickly in these modern times of the quick fix, instant gratification, constant titilation of all sorts, and--yes--debased morals.

I would say that the idea of a messiah, whether external or internal, is a tool that we can use to align our moral compass, but it is by no means mandatory.

Hi, Pathless. I agree that the messiah serves as an example and a warning about our moral compass. The messiah is an in-your-face example of our relationships with God and with each other. What did we do to Jesus? We killed an innocent person, instead of showing mercy. What was his message? To love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. By looking at mankind's history on how we've treated others, it's not surprising that we killed Jesus. His message that we have to change ourselves, that we are the problem, can be difficult to accept. It's much easier to blame someone else for our problems. {Gee, didn't we do that to Jesus, as well?} We may learn all about God's will and spirituality, and we may learn all sorts of knowledge/wisdom about the natural world, but we just don't what to learn about ourselves, and deal with our own faults. Without knowing ourselves, all the knowledge in the world won't help us progress, IMHO.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:


“ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.