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I have given my arguments in my post # 52 on the thread whereby we explored the possibility if Jesus had anywhere specifically declared in Bible that he was literal God or Son of God and in that connection we referred to Exodus 3:13-18 'I Will Be Who I Will Be,’ 'I Will Be’ sent me to you.', and we observed that instead of the above words YHVH has been mentioned there as eternal name of God , we also looked into "I am who am" from John 8:58 "I am", we also observed that John 7 mentions about Jesus ‘this man is the Prophet the Christ’ and from John 9
"He is a prophet." And we deduced from Jesus sayings that in a sense every believer who speaks truth is son of God. This much has been from Old Testament or Torah and from New Testament.
Now, I give hereunder some relevant verses of Quran, also an important source of Abrahamic Religions for the incidence when Moses met God on the mountain which would be of interest to the members in my opinion.
Chapter 20 Ta Ha
[20:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. [20:2] Ta Ha [20:3] We have not sent down the Qur'an to thee that thou shouldst be distressed; [20:4] But as a reminder to him who fears God; [20:5] And a revelation from Him Who created the earth and the high heavens. [20:6] He is the Gracious God Who has settled Himself firmly on the throne. [20:7] To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, and whatsoever is between them, and whatsoever is beneath the moist sub-soil. [20:8] And if thou speakest aloud, He hears it and also if thou speakest in a low voice, For He knows the secret thoughts of man and what is yet more hidden [20:9] Allah - there is no god but He. His are the most beautiful names. [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee? [20:11] When he saw a fire, and he said to his family, 'Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire. [20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, 'O Moses, [20:13] 'Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa; [20:14] And I Myself have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed to thee; [20:15] 'Verily , I am Allah; there is no god but I, so worship ME alone and observe Prayer for my remembrance; [20:16] Surely, the Hour is coming and I am going to manifest it, that every soul may be recompensed for its labours; [20:17] 'So let not him, who believes not therein and follows his own low desires, turn thee away therefrom, lest thou perish;” Unquote
Now I give hereunder some verses of Quran on the:
The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa'
[4:172] O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and a fulfilment of His word which He has sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not, 'They are three.' Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Holy is He, far above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a guardian. [4:173] Surely, the Messiah disdains not to be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoso disdains to worship Him and is proud, He will gather them all to Himself. 4:174] Then as for those who believe and do good works, He will give them their rewards in full and will give them more out of His grace; but as for those who disdain and are proud, He will punish them with a painful punishment. And they shall find for themselves beside Allah no friend, nor helper. [4:175] O ye people, manifest proof has indeed come to you from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear Light. [4:176] Then, as for those who believe in Allah and hold fast to Him, He will surely admit them to His mercy and grace and will guide them along a straight path leading to Himself.” Unquote
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"He is a prophet." And we deduced from Jesus sayings that in a sense every believer who speaks truth is son of God. This much has been from Old Testament or Torah and from New Testament.
Now, I give hereunder some relevant verses of Quran, also an important source of Abrahamic Religions for the incidence when Moses met God on the mountain which would be of interest to the members in my opinion.
Moses’ Dialogue with God on Mountain as per Quran
[20:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. [20:2] Ta Ha [20:3] We have not sent down the Qur'an to thee that thou shouldst be distressed; [20:4] But as a reminder to him who fears God; [20:5] And a revelation from Him Who created the earth and the high heavens. [20:6] He is the Gracious God Who has settled Himself firmly on the throne. [20:7] To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, and whatsoever is between them, and whatsoever is beneath the moist sub-soil. [20:8] And if thou speakest aloud, He hears it and also if thou speakest in a low voice, For He knows the secret thoughts of man and what is yet more hidden [20:9] Allah - there is no god but He. His are the most beautiful names. [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee? [20:11] When he saw a fire, and he said to his family, 'Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire. [20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, 'O Moses, [20:13] 'Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa; [20:14] And I Myself have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed to thee; [20:15] 'Verily , I am Allah; there is no god but I, so worship ME alone and observe Prayer for my remembrance; [20:16] Surely, the Hour is coming and I am going to manifest it, that every soul may be recompensed for its labours; [20:17] 'So let not him, who believes not therein and follows his own low desires, turn thee away therefrom, lest thou perish;” Unquote
Now I give hereunder some verses of Quran on the:
Status of Jesus vis-à-vis God
[4:172] O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and a fulfilment of His word which He has sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not, 'They are three.' Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Holy is He, far above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a guardian. [4:173] Surely, the Messiah disdains not to be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoso disdains to worship Him and is proud, He will gather them all to Himself. 4:174] Then as for those who believe and do good works, He will give them their rewards in full and will give them more out of His grace; but as for those who disdain and are proud, He will punish them with a painful punishment. And they shall find for themselves beside Allah no friend, nor helper. [4:175] O ye people, manifest proof has indeed come to you from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a clear Light. [4:176] Then, as for those who believe in Allah and hold fast to Him, He will surely admit them to His mercy and grace and will guide them along a straight path leading to Himself.” Unquote
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