im not saying that things were easy for the early ummah, if you read the bit after you'd see taht...i dont know alot about islam as only been muslim for 4 months, so dont understand your meening of grey areas?im not sayinf islam isnt possible to follow explicitly, im saying in this age, i no many many muslim youths including myself who wathc television, listen to music, mix witht he opposite sex, dont read the Quran enough, but me coming from a christian family, things are dificult for me and i personally find somethings extremely difficult if you understand me?this is why i said that about religion, i wasnt just refering to islam, all religions, i know christains who never go to church, eat meat on good friday, dont forgive and forget, odnt give anything up in lent, i dont know any jews, a lot of muslims i know as i said , including myself, dont follow the sunnah properly, i mix with girls, i have a bank accoutn that gets interest, which im trying to stop...this is what i mean, a scholar said its going to be like holding a hot iron rod, in that it will be difficult to hold onto, becasue of the temptations of the shaytaan, the modern day society we are in...i hope you now understand what i meant
Is Islam actually peaceful?
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bananabrain
awkward squadnik
i read the whole thing. unfortunately your english is not the easiest to follow, so do excuse me, it's my first language but obviously not yours, so you are at a bit of a disadvantage.
look, i don't mean to be patronising or rude or anything, but i think you need to learn a bit more about your religion before you start trying to speak in its name, because when you say "islam is this" or "islam is that", you don't come across as terribly convincing and, if you've only been a muslim for four months, it's not that surprising.
zaakir, if you think listening to music is forbidden in islam, then you are not being taught properly. fair enough if you want to only listen to religious music, but you are entitled at least to discover islamic religious music like the qawwali singers of pakistan, the most famous of whom is nusrat fateh ali khan. in fact, look here:
http://www.worldmusiccentral.org/article.php/20060618114457197
this is an ISLAMIC MUSIC FESTIVAL (actually, i was at the launch party, which was at the UK foreign ministry, as i am involved in religious music) and the musicians are all muslims. i know that some (like some salafis, for example) say music is haraam but there are many scholars who say that it is halal.
again, i'm not a muslim, but i *know* muslims are allowed to listen to instrumental music of all types. don't take my word for it, but please check with some authorities. i am not a fan of al-qaradawi, but i know he at least permits it. some links may be found on: http://www.google.com/search?source...G,RNWG:2005-06,RNWG:en&q="music+is+not+haram"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=RNWG,RNWG:2005-06,RNWG:en&q="music+is+not+haraam"
please don't be hard on yourself. islam does not need more young people who are learning by rote and repetition. you can't just take one person's word for it. G!D does not want you to be a brainless robot.
well, i don't know where you live, but you are welcome to ask me anything you like.
was-salaam
bananabrain
english is my first language, but i hated the subject!i understand what you say about me speaking in the name of Islam, but i am doing in the sense that i would like to use what i do know, and becasue when i read these posts they increase my faith and strength in Islam, muslims are not allowed to listen to instrumental music really. nasheeds (islamic music) as you say is not haram, actual modern day music for example is haram, instruments are haram except drum beats. reasons for this are such as follows:
the music can get drilled in to your mind, and you think of the song music...right?so you remember the music more than the words of Allah.
personally, when i listen to music, sometimes the song replays in my head when i perform my salah...this is haram.
you said that i am not being taught properly...i only have a teacher for arabic, most of my learning comes from Quran and hadith...
therefore my teacher is Muhammad s.a.w...he once said that one of his missions was to destroy musical instruments..i do not know of any scholar that permits music, nasheeds, yes...music..no...then agian you are not a muslim, i am, i beleive music is haram, i dint see why that has anything to do with you, as i want to sacrifice music for Allah s.w.t and of course because He has forbidden it. why do i have to convince you anyway...im saying what i feel, you wont agree because you're a jew..i know myself so i dont care what anyone thinks...because only Allah s.w.t knows, and in the future we will all see islam is the truth
the music can get drilled in to your mind, and you think of the song music...right?so you remember the music more than the words of Allah.
personally, when i listen to music, sometimes the song replays in my head when i perform my salah...this is haram.
you said that i am not being taught properly...i only have a teacher for arabic, most of my learning comes from Quran and hadith...
therefore my teacher is Muhammad s.a.w...he once said that one of his missions was to destroy musical instruments..i do not know of any scholar that permits music, nasheeds, yes...music..no...then agian you are not a muslim, i am, i beleive music is haram, i dint see why that has anything to do with you, as i want to sacrifice music for Allah s.w.t and of course because He has forbidden it. why do i have to convince you anyway...im saying what i feel, you wont agree because you're a jew..i know myself so i dont care what anyone thinks...because only Allah s.w.t knows, and in the future we will all see islam is the truth
bananabrain
awkward squadnik
so, you reckon sheikh al-qaradawi, who, in his book "al-halal w'al-haram dil islam", says music is not haram, is wrong? i mean, i don't like the guy, he doesn't like jews very much, but he's generally considered fairly knowledgeable and authoritative in islamic law. and, either way, here we have a bona fide disagreement about whether music is allowed or not.
b'shalom
bananabrain
oh, come on, zaakir. what sort of prophet hates musical instruments? what sort of religion hates musical instruments? this is crazy. so all you're allowed to listen to is religious songs accompanied by a daf? no 'oud? no qanun? what a miserable life you're going to have if you don't find a decent teacher. i mean, if you want to do this to yourself, go ahead, but really, it's so unnecessary. i know loads of really religious muslims who love and play all sorts of music and this seems like a really joyless, puritanical version of what can be a perfectly great religion.
b'shalom
bananabrain
the pious muslims i know, do not listen to music, during the time they waste listening to music, they could be reading Quran, listening to Quran. maybe the muslim syou know are not very pious, but as i said in an earlier post, people try to find loop holes, for example having a beard in islam, many will say its not compulsory , but it is, the same with music, it is haram. why would a prophet want o sit and listen to music when he could be spraeding the word of god? i have told you listening to music, you remember the song and sometimes keep repeating it, and have an urge to hear it..i know when i hear good music i am like this, but how dare i be like this!? do i do this as much with the Quran, no...so i am giving an impression music is more important to me...if you dont understand that then i cant say much more. the Quran says
Luqman 31:6
And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur'an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-Fire).
The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allaah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allaah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allaah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allaah and lying about His Laws.
reading that, by a scholar, tells us that music is haram. is that enough evidence for you? life isnt boring without music...i have the words of my lord...why should this life be graet, its merely a short test, that has the same time period of about half a day in paradise
Luqman 31:6
And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur'an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-Fire).
The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allaah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allaah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allaah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allaah and lying about His Laws.
reading that, by a scholar, tells us that music is haram. is that enough evidence for you? life isnt boring without music...i have the words of my lord...why should this life be graet, its merely a short test, that has the same time period of about half a day in paradise
Vajradhara
One of Many
Namaste all,
well let me say this about that...
having lived in a Muslim country, i can assure you that there was no shortage of music on the radio. we didn't have television and the radio wasn't in a language that i spoke yet music was being played continually.
with singing as well.
then again, as it is so often stated, there are no "real" Sharia states in existence any longer and haven't been since Uthman, as near as i can tell.
holding an idealized and romantisized notion of the past isn't the best manner to gain an actual understanding of that period of history, in my view.
in any event, i also happen to have a CD of Arabic music which was recorded back in the 1940's as an historical record of Berber and Arabic folk songs.
besides which... music is math and Muslims have no particular issue with mathmatics
metta,
~v
well let me say this about that...
having lived in a Muslim country, i can assure you that there was no shortage of music on the radio. we didn't have television and the radio wasn't in a language that i spoke yet music was being played continually.
with singing as well.
then again, as it is so often stated, there are no "real" Sharia states in existence any longer and haven't been since Uthman, as near as i can tell.
holding an idealized and romantisized notion of the past isn't the best manner to gain an actual understanding of that period of history, in my view.
in any event, i also happen to have a CD of Arabic music which was recorded back in the 1940's as an historical record of Berber and Arabic folk songs.
besides which... music is math and Muslims have no particular issue with mathmatics
metta,
~v
music is haram, there are many muslim singers and bands too. there were arab folk songs, there is music played in arab countries except in some areas, such as makkah i hear, possibly medina. but just because music is haram doesnt mean people will not listen. its a sin not to go to church for example on sunday, yet out of about 100 christian people in my year at college, and about 50 christians in my family there are about 4/5 honestly that go to church on sunday, they know that sunday=church day but do they bother?muslims have to pray 5 times a day, does this mean everyone does?not everyone follows every rule, me included, i listen to music sometimes, it doesnt mean its right.
bananabrain
awkward squadnik
but i've just shown you another eminent scholar who says the opposite. so do muslims agree with each other or not?
ok then. you are of course welcome to take this view, but oh deary me how terribly depressing. go on then, have a miserable life, because paradise will be great... sheesh. how i love the saudi bankrolling of islamic education.
b'shalom
bananabrain
ok..well thanks for telling me its boring...and that the here after will be great...sheesh...your not muslim so i dont see what this has to do with you really...this life isnt meant to be great, its meant to be a test, and the hereafter will be amazingly unspeakable of.one of my close friends is a mufty which means he is very very high in islam, he can pass islamic laws etc...he agrees music is haram, as do every muslim i have spoken to....i dont see why you argue..its my religion and way of life yeah?so argue all you want, but it doesnt matter becasue youre not muslim...the quran states what i said...luqman 31:6
bananabrain
awkward squadnik
because you're making these statement on an interfaith dialogue board, which implies that you are interested in dialogue. perhaps what you are really interested in is self-justification.
i'm arguing because it seems to me obvious that there are muslim authorities and scholars that disagree with you and your teacher, so for you to maintain that there is but one correct position is patently ridiculous. if your attitude is that non-muslims by definition have nothing to tell you or teach you, then i don't see why you're wasting your time here, unless you're trying to convert people.
b'shalom
bananabrain
its interfaith i know...but to find about other faiths?i dont tell you how to be a jew..you ask any of the muslims you know whether they would play music outside the mosque...im sure, and i hope the answer would be no...before i was muslim, my friends did this as we passed a mosque...just becasue some scholars say its allowed doesnt mean in my belief it is...some muslim scholars will beleive that Muhammad s.a.w wasnt the last prophet of Allah s.w.t...in a different sect...so some muslim authorities may disagree...maybe because they value culture...maybe they dont want to give up music...some people i know dont think its necessary for women to wear a hijab!some scholars say it is, some say its necessary to cover the whole face...at the end of the day, from the Quran and hadith, it shows music is haram, except nasheeds...still lets just say non of that was telling us music is haram....knowin every muslim has to memorise the Quran, do a minimum of 5 prayers a day, do their zhikr etc, if you listen to music it is a fact that the music will replay in your head during the day, maybe when you're praying, or reciting..i just come back from a jamat, an stayed in mosques for a week, and mobile phone ring tones were not allowed, because they have a musical element to them..other reasons why music can be haram....i would not want my wife or daughter or mother singin, for other men to hear the beauty of her voice, as this in a musical singing sense is forbidden among scholars...as for males, its not as negative, but still not allowed, look at the music we have today, full of obscene remarks and foul language..not very healthy for the mind is it!there is a punishment for music as told to us, this is having molten lead poured down into your ears, also you are letting youself loose the opportunity to hear Allah s.w.t recite the Quran in paradise...whether music is haram, is similar to whether shaving is...many people say you dont have to grow a beard...when we do in islam..i take it you disagree with me here too!anway, i have explained my views, i mentioned an ayat before...can i just say though please,just becasue some of your friends listen to music, doesnt mean its halal...most of my friends do, most dont have a beard, or wear their trousers above their ankles...yet they know these things are what should be done...i myself dont follow these..however, i have stopped music!and got a bit of beard, but i know theyre what i should do, so i will in the future, but at the moment i am not strong enough, im weak , we all are, so sometimes we can have our own beliefs/thoughts over the thoughts that are actually right...id rather we stop talking about this now if you argue, becasue its not godd to argue or get annoyed, so i hope you will forgive me if i acted like a prat anywhere!
salam
salam
I remember i was at the Islam board last month, where i find some muslims offending christians, i decided to get involved not by arguing but expressing my veiws and as a result christianity was badly criticised even though i did not say a bad word about Islam.... Time for some revenge!
You are a former Christian i'm correct, this i have no arguments with since i believe for somone to truly understand faith you need a contrast not just understanding to a single idea. But what made you convert?
I no know some young muslims and they do play music outside the mosque (asuming you meant when there not in mosque rather than literally outside the mosque) and if you mean when their not inside the mosque then you might as well say they don't listen to music at all.Zaakir said:
Why is it not as negative for males? Inequality among the sexes in Islam perhaps? You won't let your daughter or wife sing, why? Is it because Allah told you to.....How sad (i don't mean this negatively i mean this literally). So what if other men hear the beauty of there voice isn't that the point?Zaakir said:
Your being inconsistant, you say if you judge a small group of then you can't judge them all. Then what do you say here?Zaakir said:
You are joking right? Because if you aren't i am deeply worried. Recently flights to and from England and America have been cancelled and the airports in England are on red alert because of aa terrorist threat. With those kind of things being practised it is hardly surprising that these things are happening.Zaakir said:
Over the thoughts that are actually right? You said this when mentioning your Religion's rules. I have a question why do you belive what you belive? If it is because of what someone told you or something you read. Then what is the difference between your beliefs and something that is "actually" right and how can you be sure that "actually" right is actually?Zaakir said:
You are a former Christian i'm correct, this i have no arguments with since i believe for somone to truly understand faith you need a contrast not just understanding to a single idea. But what made you convert?
You are forgiven.Zaakir said:
Karimarie
Live without fear
Azure24 said:
Just a comment--Orthodox Judaism is that way too. A woman is not permitted to sing in the presence of men. The reason in Judaism is that it would make the men sexually aroused, which would be sinful. It's not a concept I agree with (it's one of the several reasons I would never be Orthodox), just acknowledging that Islam isn't the only religion like that--Some parts of Judaism are like that too.
jiii
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juantoo3-
I don't really think that Islam is inherently intolerant or subtly influences one toward violence and persecution. Intead of asking if "Islam is peaceful", we might try to ask if "Islamists are peaceful". Islam is a doctrine, and at that, a doctrine that DOES seem to suggest the same general characteristics of love and compassion found in other world religions. Whether or not a violent person, or a violent society, adopts Islam or Christianity or Buddhism or whatever, they will still tend to be violent.
Consider that samurai used Zen discipline to kill. Crusaders used Christianity to kill. Inquisitors used the idea that their victims were going to go to Hell if they were not tortured to validate doing just that. The bottom line is: violent people are likely to interpret and act upon religious ideas in ways that they believe validate themselves. I do think that much of the problems in the Middle East are because society has become very violent in that place. This may have to do with money, food, culture, politics, and psychology...it may have to do with change in general...and all of these things may ultimately relate in some way to religion...but I don't think it's actually the doctrine of Islam that inspires this. Terrorists and fundamentalist, warring groups are inspired by their own animosity and hatred. The fact that they try to justify their actions with their religion means only that they are content to "use" their doctrine to validate whatever they feel like doing, no matter how selfish or destructive.
Consider the Roman Catholic Church.
For a long time, the RCC was a scourge of Europe...genocide, inquisition, people getting burned at the stake. Those were some wild days in the history of Catholicism. But it really wasn't the Catholic doctrine that caused this. It was people calling themselves Catholics that were paranoid or power-hungry.
By and large, Islam is a peaceful religion. Of course, nobody ever got much press coverage for being good , but they get more airtime than Cronkite for being bad. Thus, that's how we usually hear about them acting.
There was a time when countries all over the world probably took one look at the madness going on in the Roman Cathloic Church and thought, "WOW! They have some serious issues!" Turns out, though, that all of that rampant violence on the part of the RCC had much more to do with political, social, and economic climate, than it did with Catholicism. Catholicism was used as an excuse.
-jiii
I don't really think that Islam is inherently intolerant or subtly influences one toward violence and persecution. Intead of asking if "Islam is peaceful", we might try to ask if "Islamists are peaceful". Islam is a doctrine, and at that, a doctrine that DOES seem to suggest the same general characteristics of love and compassion found in other world religions. Whether or not a violent person, or a violent society, adopts Islam or Christianity or Buddhism or whatever, they will still tend to be violent.
Consider that samurai used Zen discipline to kill. Crusaders used Christianity to kill. Inquisitors used the idea that their victims were going to go to Hell if they were not tortured to validate doing just that. The bottom line is: violent people are likely to interpret and act upon religious ideas in ways that they believe validate themselves. I do think that much of the problems in the Middle East are because society has become very violent in that place. This may have to do with money, food, culture, politics, and psychology...it may have to do with change in general...and all of these things may ultimately relate in some way to religion...but I don't think it's actually the doctrine of Islam that inspires this. Terrorists and fundamentalist, warring groups are inspired by their own animosity and hatred. The fact that they try to justify their actions with their religion means only that they are content to "use" their doctrine to validate whatever they feel like doing, no matter how selfish or destructive.
Consider the Roman Catholic Church.
For a long time, the RCC was a scourge of Europe...genocide, inquisition, people getting burned at the stake. Those were some wild days in the history of Catholicism. But it really wasn't the Catholic doctrine that caused this. It was people calling themselves Catholics that were paranoid or power-hungry.
By and large, Islam is a peaceful religion. Of course, nobody ever got much press coverage for being good
, but they get more airtime than Cronkite for being bad. Thus, that's how we usually hear about them acting.There was a time when countries all over the world probably took one look at the madness going on in the Roman Cathloic Church and thought, "WOW! They have some serious issues!" Turns out, though, that all of that rampant violence on the part of the RCC had much more to do with political, social, and economic climate, than it did with Catholicism. Catholicism was used as an excuse.
-jiii
juantoo3....music is haram,...end of...i wouldnt wnat my wife or daughter (when of puberty age) to sing, becasue men can find a womans voice attractive, things lke rape are controlled and caused by men, islam teaches modesty.the punisment for listening to music is that after death, no punishment mentioned in this life, unless Allah s.w.t decides, but after death if you are not forgiven, this is the punishment, terorism...cheap shot!LOL..pathetic really..im against it as much as anyone, even more than i was as a non muslim...
what made me REVERT to islam:
christianity allowed me to drink, go clubbing, have a girlfriend....allowed me to waht ever really. its hard to stop there...for example, for someone to become an alcholic, he has to start somewhere. islam forbids alchol, so prevents this happening, christianity allowed me a girlfriend, but no sex...yeah right...i was drinking, having sex, god wasnt in my daily life, except the odd occasion, but i didnt feel a spark to christianity. i strated becoming a strict christian, but didnt feel asif anything helped me, no rules really, or if there were they were daft like no stealing, which are easy to follow...go church once a week...but where was my sacrifice to god for my life, for my reward of heaven, what was my life about...getting drunk, dancing, etc. being more involved in christianity, which was my only option as i could not consider or think about another faith, i read the bible, got confused, so many different accounts of different events, the old testaments main be;eif and purpose is abolished in the new testament...this beleif is stil held by the jews, but demolished by the christians, this is that there is one god,a divine UNITY, no partners. christianity there are 2 partners of 'the father' being the holy spirit and jesus. these have to be different, as jesus prayed to the father, why would he pray if he was 1/3 of god?why would he die if he was god, why would he be like a human?what was the christian purpose...to save us from sins we committed...sounds daft...if you kill someone, that persons family doesnt sacrifice someone else to forgive you...researching, i found many clauses and mis interpretations, lack of detail....i started to think why would the one god in the old testament lower Himself to a action the same of taht of His craetion, surely the craetion should be far far far moved from the actions of god?thinking of this, and the fact that i prayed to humans and to statues in church i thought what am i doing...and what am i doing to proove to god i love Him with all my heart, and to save myself from hell?why am i allowed to eat pork, when the old testament forbids?why can i eat meat on fridays?why dont women cover up?why do i not celebrate jewish festivals, if jesus was a jew?non of it made sense....then something made me look into islams beleifs....it sounded right..i didnt understand a lot, and didnt really think anything of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w, i thought a lot of stuff was weird and i didnt agree, but the focus on god was what i was looking for, as i researched more, and read the Qur'an i started to agree, and seeing how traditional islam is, and how similar it is to christianity, made me think more...after a long time i felt my heart bursting, needing to follow islam. since then, islam is my daily routine, when i wake up at 5 for prayer, for the sake of Allah s.w.t, untill i pray at night, and even when i sleep, i am praising Allah s.w.t, IF i say the dua, and sleep the correct way, the way i brush my teeth, eat, wash, bathe, when i go into the toilet, when i meet a friend,when i leave the house, get in the car, there are prayers (du'a's/supplications) to say to Allah s.w.t, making the action like a form of worship, becasue the act is being done in His name and with His blessing. so islam is about living this life for the sake of struggle (jihad), the sake of Allah s.w.t, doing all you can to gain His mercy, and to not gain His wrath, and to gain paradise, this is the way i beleive religion should be....aka...demanding, and not easy, as its a test..in islam you really are tested, in christianity i dont know any one taht feels this
ps....i beleive what i beleive because its right, it gives me this feeling every minute of every day that i really cannot explain, knowing all my actions are for the sake of god...knowing i love Him so much and the life style HE commands me to live by....my heart is so overcome by the love of Allah s.w.t and islam, i cannot speak of it..only Allah s.w.t knows how i feel!
what made me REVERT to islam:
christianity allowed me to drink, go clubbing, have a girlfriend....allowed me to waht ever really. its hard to stop there...for example, for someone to become an alcholic, he has to start somewhere. islam forbids alchol, so prevents this happening, christianity allowed me a girlfriend, but no sex...yeah right...i was drinking, having sex, god wasnt in my daily life, except the odd occasion, but i didnt feel a spark to christianity. i strated becoming a strict christian, but didnt feel asif anything helped me, no rules really, or if there were they were daft like no stealing, which are easy to follow...go church once a week...but where was my sacrifice to god for my life, for my reward of heaven, what was my life about...getting drunk, dancing, etc. being more involved in christianity, which was my only option as i could not consider or think about another faith, i read the bible, got confused, so many different accounts of different events, the old testaments main be;eif and purpose is abolished in the new testament...this beleif is stil held by the jews, but demolished by the christians, this is that there is one god,a divine UNITY, no partners. christianity there are 2 partners of 'the father' being the holy spirit and jesus. these have to be different, as jesus prayed to the father, why would he pray if he was 1/3 of god?why would he die if he was god, why would he be like a human?what was the christian purpose...to save us from sins we committed...sounds daft...if you kill someone, that persons family doesnt sacrifice someone else to forgive you...researching, i found many clauses and mis interpretations, lack of detail....i started to think why would the one god in the old testament lower Himself to a action the same of taht of His craetion, surely the craetion should be far far far moved from the actions of god?thinking of this, and the fact that i prayed to humans and to statues in church i thought what am i doing...and what am i doing to proove to god i love Him with all my heart, and to save myself from hell?why am i allowed to eat pork, when the old testament forbids?why can i eat meat on fridays?why dont women cover up?why do i not celebrate jewish festivals, if jesus was a jew?non of it made sense....then something made me look into islams beleifs....it sounded right..i didnt understand a lot, and didnt really think anything of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w, i thought a lot of stuff was weird and i didnt agree, but the focus on god was what i was looking for, as i researched more, and read the Qur'an i started to agree, and seeing how traditional islam is, and how similar it is to christianity, made me think more...after a long time i felt my heart bursting, needing to follow islam. since then, islam is my daily routine, when i wake up at 5 for prayer, for the sake of Allah s.w.t, untill i pray at night, and even when i sleep, i am praising Allah s.w.t, IF i say the dua, and sleep the correct way, the way i brush my teeth, eat, wash, bathe, when i go into the toilet, when i meet a friend,when i leave the house, get in the car, there are prayers (du'a's/supplications) to say to Allah s.w.t, making the action like a form of worship, becasue the act is being done in His name and with His blessing. so islam is about living this life for the sake of struggle (jihad), the sake of Allah s.w.t, doing all you can to gain His mercy, and to not gain His wrath, and to gain paradise, this is the way i beleive religion should be....aka...demanding, and not easy, as its a test..in islam you really are tested, in christianity i dont know any one taht feels this
ps....i beleive what i beleive because its right, it gives me this feeling every minute of every day that i really cannot explain, knowing all my actions are for the sake of god...knowing i love Him so much and the life style HE commands me to live by....my heart is so overcome by the love of Allah s.w.t and islam, i cannot speak of it..only Allah s.w.t knows how i feel!
Zaakir said:
I have a question Zaakir. What is the call to prayers by the Imam, from the Minaret? Is that not, "music"? Is not the "melody" of the caller, a "song"? Is that "haram"? I'm curious, because there may be subtleties that western thought miss. When I am home and hear the call to prayer from the local mosque, it sounds like music to me. It has a story, and a melody (haunting and thought provoking), and it is remembered long after the call has ceased (years after, decades after).
Please explain the difference.
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no it is not music or a song.it does not sound like music or a song, it has a kind of melodic tone, which is done when reciting the Qur'an and certain things during prayer because it is the words of god, that He has commanded us to say, so these parts are not just said like a converstaion, they have a meaning, we have respect for the word of god, so have to use it and recite it in a respectful and different way. the imam doesnt call the athan. you say its remembered years after...thats good...muslims are supposed to know it, it is basically telling us of the fundamental beleifs, it is not haunting, its just saing god is the greatest, there is no god but god, Muhammad is His messenger, come to prayer, come to success, god is the greatest, there is no god but god. i find a bells dull tone more haunting. a singer carries a tone, and varies the tone using many different notes, this is not done usually with the athan, it has no music applied, just a voice of one man, not singing. if an actual singer did the athan, it would sound so different, because it is not a song, it has the same kind of use as the bell on a church, you wouldnt call this a musical tone would you, unless it is, some churches do, some have a plain sound.
the athan is not a song! its a call to prayer...nota song...but leaving this matter, yes singing about other than religion, i regard and islam does as being haram!some people even say some religious songs are haram if they have a instrumental piece to them, as only simple simple drum beats can be allowed