If God was to send us a message.
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So it evolved from a horse because it drives on horsepower. Now that makes sense, thank you. The Flinstones steered me in the wrong direction.
I remember the first time at a very young age when I wrecked my car and it bled a couple of fluids. I remember vividly that I did not cry because it hurt... but I did cry because I thought I permanently wrecked the car. Then I was told that it is designed to be healed, and boy was I relieved. But when I was a little older, I learned that there were limits to that and that it could in fact be destroyed or altered permanently. That was a real drag. When I was a little older though, I was relieved to learn that it was not actually permanently destroyed... for the one (or ones) who has the right keys the car can be reproduced at any stage of the car's life. Whew, what a relief. But my driving priveleges have been revoked a little for a time.
So at this point in the evolution of my understanding... the evolutionist that thinks the body was naturally created by the smile in their parent's eyes are right, because the intelligence of my car evolves just like the world. BUT the intelligent designer that thinks the body was created by an intelligent creator are also right, because I know I have a key and I care far more for the driver than the car. BUT the creationist that thinks God created man is also right... because I know I don't have all the keys and neither do any of you.
I remember the first time at a very young age when I wrecked my car and it bled a couple of fluids. I remember vividly that I did not cry because it hurt... but I did cry because I thought I permanently wrecked the car. Then I was told that it is designed to be healed, and boy was I relieved. But when I was a little older, I learned that there were limits to that and that it could in fact be destroyed or altered permanently. That was a real drag. When I was a little older though, I was relieved to learn that it was not actually permanently destroyed... for the one (or ones) who has the right keys the car can be reproduced at any stage of the car's life. Whew, what a relief. But my driving priveleges have been revoked a little for a time.
So at this point in the evolution of my understanding... the evolutionist that thinks the body was naturally created by the smile in their parent's eyes are right, because the intelligence of my car evolves just like the world. BUT the intelligent designer that thinks the body was created by an intelligent creator are also right, because I know I have a key and I care far more for the driver than the car. BUT the creationist that thinks God created man is also right... because I know I don't have all the keys and neither do any of you.
Re: Note of evolution...
Car came from chariot, which came from carts, which came from sledges circa 3500 BCE. Boats came from floating logs cira 6000 BCE (Egypt). Bicyle from broken chariot and "hobby horse" to "velocipede", to modern bicyle. Aircraft from Leonardo da Vinci's observations of birds. Helicopter Sikorsky (first successful design VS-300), which came from Paul Cornu (1907), which came from Leonardo da Vinci (1523), which came from observing locusts and maple leaf seeds.
As far as asking God, or anything else...why would I want a full list of your prayers?
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cyberpi said:
Car came from chariot, which came from carts, which came from sledges circa 3500 BCE. Boats came from floating logs cira 6000 BCE (Egypt). Bicyle from broken chariot and "hobby horse" to "velocipede", to modern bicyle. Aircraft from Leonardo da Vinci's observations of birds. Helicopter Sikorsky (first successful design VS-300), which came from Paul Cornu (1907), which came from Leonardo da Vinci (1523), which came from observing locusts and maple leaf seeds.
As far as asking God, or anything else...why would I want a full list of your prayers?
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james said:
To send a prophet is God’s prerogative, He knows better whether to send a prophet or not, to revive the message lost. If He decides to send a prophet we have to accept him if we love Him, as we have no choice and if we don’t accept we suffer. We cannot afford to be arrogant to God or his Will. He is not bound by the concept of the clergy of the religions; What He could care about them, the dividing and the divided clergy whatever its label or denomination.
As far as I know, Hindus think they are the only sacred God’s people entitled to receive God’s Word, and all others who think they received Revelation from God are just untrue people. On Krishna they end the Word of God. Yet they believe that at the end of the world, when evil would take over the world, Krishna would appear again. So they close the prophet-hood at one hand and open it again in another form, the need of a Guide they cannot deny.
The same is for the Zoroastrians; they also close the prophet-hood on Zoroaster, but they also believe that Zoroaster would come again; in another form they also establish the need of a divine Guide.
The Jews, the chosen people of God cannot deny that they are waiting, rather wailing to God for advent of their Moshiach. The need of divine Guide is felt there also, I think.
The Christians wait for the advent of the Christ Jesus again.
The Muslims also end prophet-hood on Muhammad, yet they wait for the Messiah and Imam Mahdi to come as an ummaty (follower)and Caliph of Muhammad.
In short almost every Revealed Religion of the world has the concept, in one form or the other, of a Divine Personage yet to come at the end of the times or the latter- days. The name could be different naturally; different nations speak different languages, so how come the name would match. It would match in the generic concept or the attributes or deeds of the God’s Appointed Official or different aspects of the duties assigned to him by God.
The world has transformed into a Global Village now, evil has divided the human beings; so wouldn’t God want Unity among the nations of the World? Yes He does want ,God is One ,so instead of the advent or re-advent of several warring Guides from God for utter confusion of the people on earth, logically the true interpretation would be ,it would be one-Guide to work for peace of the World ,which is the need of the time, and that is understandable.
There cannot come a New Prophet of God, right; with a new message, no prophet could come; for revival of the message which I have told had been or has been the same as explained in my some earlier post, there is no harm .One Man of God was destined to come, nobody can deny, who would promote unity among the religions as also would establish unity of Revealed Books of the world by the true interpretations of the same, not with compulsion, but by convincing everybody by logical and rational argument that would also link the Religion with the realities of Science; end of the strife in all dimension.
This is the Ahmadia view a faith in Islam ,others could stick to their own view,no compulsion.
Thanks
i am a muslim...and i believe this
there is no god but god, and Muhammad is His last messenger
also known as the shahada, which all muslims i would think follow, as its the core beleif and principle in islam, sayin there would be another prophet in islam is against islam right?there will be another prophet on earth in the future called jesus, but he is just coming back, not a new prophet
there is no god but god, and Muhammad is His last messenger
also known as the shahada, which all muslims i would think follow, as its the core beleif and principle in islam, sayin there would be another prophet in islam is against islam right?there will be another prophet on earth in the future called jesus, but he is just coming back, not a new prophet
sorry, tickled me the way you wrote it, like walking to the store. I love it though, probably tis nothin either...just like walkin to the store...james said:
"Hi guys, just flew down from heaven, and boy are my arms tired, badabing, seriously, one question. What do I have to do this incarnation to get you to listen??"
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You know better than that.cyberpi said:
The car comes from the carriage (see Q's post for dertails). They just take the power of the horse and sit it in the carriage so the carriage can go on its own power. The horse is absent. Only the horse's power is there. Get it?
You will have to rework your allegory.
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If you take the horsepower out of any car then it ceases to be a car. No car, vehicle, or body will run, drive, roll, walk, crawl, fly, shine a light, or even breath without horsepower. It wasn't fish power, bird power, or penguine power that evolved into the car... or any vehicle. It was the horse power.Blue Jay said:
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james said:
Well one may subscribe to whatever view one likes, there is no compulsion whatsoever. The world has become civilized now.
I was pointing and resolving the contradictions in your above statement ,even when you had not sent your post, with my interpretation as one is entitled to interpret the way one finds it is truthful. I request you to read my post again.We are not making a debate we are just discussing. Thanks
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One God may have created this world ... but it took many angels. This is something - I'm thinking about, at the moment.
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i was just tlkin bout islam, i thought it was the beleif taht there is no other prophet to come?anyway i dont agree the world is civilised!i know there is a lot of crap here towards muslims, there was a programme the other day showing so called extremists and they were in a club with strippers. this is not what i call an extremist muslim, whatever extreme means, but i wouldnt see tehse people as being extreme in their religion, people seem to take what ever view the media says, dont you think!?
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...Give us this day our daily energy...
I should also take the time to note that most Europeans prefer to measure their mechanical power using the non-metric measurement of Horse-Power, rather than to give a Scottish engineer and inventor the credit for the industrial revolution. I wonder if it is the Scottish that equally refrain from giving credit to the horse. Perhaps they compare the Wattage of their cars or maybe they use the metric of calories per second to spite the non-Metric 'British thermal units per hour'... not that either of those are Metric or even the actual derivative of unused energy. Perish the thought, but devolution there is as savory these days as evolution. I figure it must be the same for God (swt) though, because man has never created energy or power, yet still has a hard time thanking God (swt) for it. How easy it is to forget the line, "Please give us this day our daily energy"... or was it bread? Jesus (pbuh) also said that man does not live on bread alone... so while I wonder how an angel lives, I think it is only invention to think God (swt) is not the provider. As Jesus (pbuh) said, man also lives by every word that God (swt) provides.
For that One (swt) that created horsepower, is it really a requirement to use horsepower and energy, the derivative of the horse? Can anyone calculate the energy required to create energy? The answer is NO, because no human has ever created energy. It has been measured to be impossible... so I'm told. Energy is like the blank sheets of paper given to us so that we can write on them... once it is written on, whether we keep the paper, crumple it, burn it, or shred it, the record of what we did with the paper remains. The paper can no longer be made into blank sheets again because if you think of a way to make one sheet clean, you will have have used up more sheets in the process. The sole purpose of energy and its integration over time, horsepower, is to keep a written record. That's my opinion, but it was seemingly formed first by science... and later as I realized, Jesus (pbuh) already said it long ago that, "every hair is counted". The Qur'an more heavily reports that a record is kept, and splits it into an Illiyin and a Sijjin (AL-MUTAFFIFIN).taijasi said:
I should also take the time to note that most Europeans prefer to measure their mechanical power using the non-metric measurement of Horse-Power, rather than to give a Scottish engineer and inventor the credit for the industrial revolution. I wonder if it is the Scottish that equally refrain from giving credit to the horse. Perhaps they compare the Wattage of their cars or maybe they use the metric of calories per second to spite the non-Metric 'British thermal units per hour'... not that either of those are Metric or even the actual derivative of unused energy. Perish the thought, but devolution there is as savory these days as evolution. I figure it must be the same for God (swt) though, because man has never created energy or power, yet still has a hard time thanking God (swt) for it. How easy it is to forget the line, "Please give us this day our daily energy"... or was it bread? Jesus (pbuh) also said that man does not live on bread alone... so while I wonder how an angel lives, I think it is only invention to think God (swt) is not the provider. As Jesus (pbuh) said, man also lives by every word that God (swt) provides.
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For the record, so to speak, power is the rate that energy is used. I got lost in the English and integrated a derivative. Whether the car is derived from the horse or not, horsepower is the time derivative of energy being used and the energy consumed is the integration over time of the horsepower applied.
I object. Anyone given a little guidance is given a message. I see no Faith in trying to shackle God (swt) in the minds of men by interpreting the 'SEAL' in a verse to mean the last person with communication from God (swt). Is the purpose of prayer not to communicate? Can you really do a good deed for someone without knowing from that someone what a good deed is? I maintain that communication is a necessary component of Faith, the primary intent here being between people. But if someone does not accept that they are within God's power today then what do they pray to... a stone wall?james said:
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God would say, "You people should really stop hurting each other. Seriously. I should smack you."
cyberpi said:If you take the horsepower out of any car then it ceases to be a car. No car, vehicle, or body will run, drive, roll, walk, crawl, fly, shine a light, or even breath without horsepower. It wasn't fish power, bird power, or penguine power that evolved into the car... or any vehicle. It was the horse power.
In the new Lotus, it is Torque (not horse power), that runs the car. It is all electric, 130 mph, 60 in 4.2 duration 250 miles recharge on common house current, 3 hours. (same with one of the first cars ever made). And another first car was run on atmospheric pressure from steam (which almost won over combustion engines using fossil fuel).
Americans coined the phrase horse power (in Russia it is "loshid").
A Human can put out the equivelent of 3/4s Horse power, doesn't mean we are part horse. It's just an expression indicating a certain output of kinetic/mechanical energy per consumption of fuel, at a specific efficiency rating.
just a thought
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If torque drove a car instead of horsepower then people would put a giant gearbox on the end of an electric shaver and drive to work with it. Said another way, if you block the tires of the Lotus it will burn power just trying to produce a torque, without going anywhere... and if it does move the horsepower into the rotating tires is the torque times the rate of rotation. Said another way, the battery life does not lie about the horsepower or the energy that it has to deliver.Quahom1 said:
James Watt was NOT an American.Quahom1 said:
When the heart stops, the body stops... that is not an expression. The body requires horsepower. The mind requires horsepower. The strength requires horsepower. The horsepower the soul controls is more than the body. One demonstrates that every time they step into a car, flip a power switch, or ride a horse.Quahom1 said:
cyberpi said:
Lol, you know not much about electric motors, nor steam boilers, nor combustion engines...that is quite obvious, it seems. I on the other hand know a GREAT DEAL about all three, intimately, plus a fourth... And I opine you simply wish to find a place to argue. I have not time for arguing with what I already know, and you do not.
So, by all means "carry on"...
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edit: I think God would say "ignore the self impressed..." I guess that would include me, and you...
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