seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
Intolerance has no religion.cavalier said:Hold on, I've met Buddhists who have put down and sneered at Christianity.
Intolerance has no religion.cavalier said:Hold on, I've met Buddhists who have put down and sneered at Christianity.
"Intolerance" seems a little harsh, at least, it does for the people I was referring to.seattlegal said:Intolerance has no religion.
Hmm, how about "derision," or "partiality?"cavalier said:"Intolerance" seems a little harsh, at least, it does for the people I was referring to.
so then, derision has no religion/partiality has no religion.seattlegal said:Hmm, how about "derision," or "partiality?"
In that derision and partiality can be found in people everywhere, irregardless of their religion or lack thereof.cavalier said:so then, derision has no religion/partiality has no religion.
Can I ask what exactly you mean by that?
okseattlegal said:In that derision and partiality can be found in people everywhere, irregardless of their religion or lack thereof.
in the context of all fall short of the glory of god and god desires that all come to christ; however as christians, jesus christs forgives our sins when we repent to him, and provides a way to inherit the kingdom of god.soma said:We have Christians acting like Buddhist and Buddhist acting like Christians so I guess we are all the same at least in God's eyes we are.
cyberpi said:taijasi,
It looks like #5: Tak-tsey Tong-ya: Intense Encounters of the Third Degree in the Sacred Music Sacred Dance. Is that what you were referring to? Shows in the USA? Sounds like this is on CD too or is the debate a must see?
Causality: A soul can choose whether to be deterministic or stochastic by choosing where to feed back information from. Even if you saw every particle and energy pattern in my mind and body, I could still choose to be unpredictable and random. How that is done, I don't know. There is an unseen element that is not composed of the measurable world. The majority of the body is deterministic except for that part which I control. If I am wrong and my soul is also fully deterministic to God (swt), then I cease to be responsible for my actions... I cease to live. I know that I, the soul, exists because I have a choice. Without a choice, I cease to live. I know that I exist because I can, "Change my mind".
You could assert that the overwhelming power of God (swt) or the nature of this world keeps it deterministic for each soul, as if it were on a confined path. If you could both see and control every particle or energy pattern in my body then while I would not cease to exist, I would cease to have any influence on what anyone does tomorrow simply because my soul is confined. The moment I try to move a particle, it could be forced back on me. The failure with this belief is that then we no longer interact or communicate. Without interaction 99.99% of the religion I've seen is dead, including Buddhism. Enforce no communication between people and just see what lives and dies. If realization requires debate, and a Saint requires election... note that both debate and election require interaction.
Yes, apologies for my tangents. (Last one, I promise!) This is correct, this is the `debate,' and it's best in person, though one may be able to get some idea from a recorded track. In person, it is very lively, and it's the gestures they make, plus the wonderful expressions on their faces, which brings a certain joy to me. They are, after all, discussing the teachings of the Great One in the debate, and basically testing each other, to see how correctly & how subtly one has grasped the logic & complexities of the Dharma. Some of the attainments of the geshes are every bit as difficult (I mean as significant), or even far more so, than our Western PhD degree!cyberpi said:It looks like #5: Tak-tsey Tong-ya: Intense Encounters of the Third Degree in the Sacred Music Sacred Dance. Is that what you were referring to? Shows in the USA? Sounds like this is on CD too or is the debate a must see?
I call it Faith... the Faith that God (swt) places in us. Like the mustard seed which comes from God (swt) but people choose where to plant. I agree without the Faith placed in people they would not be able to do much.seattlegal said:Without God's mercy in giving us the power to choose, not only would we be unable to interact, we would also be unable to love.
I disagree with the author of 1 John in that verse... or something was lost in translation. Maybe he meant to say God (swt) is Loving. There may be overwhelming Love from God (swt) the likes of which people don't understand, but I do not g-d our God with all my heart, soul, and mind... or g-d my neighbor as I g-d myself.seattlegal said:In the Christian tradition, God is love. (1 John 4:8)
Well, consider it from another perspective: wouldn't it be like hell being cut off from everyone else, including God?cyberpi said:Hello Seattlegal... I've lived the majority of my life in or near Seattle.
I call it Faith... the Faith that God (swt) places in us. Like the mustard seed which comes from God (swt) but people choose where to plant. I agree without the Faith placed in people they would not be able to do much.
I disagree with the author of 1 John in that verse... or something was lost in translation. Maybe he meant to say God (swt) is Loving. There may be overwhelming Love from God (swt) the likes of which people don't understand, but I do not g-d our God with all my heart, soul, and mind... or g-d my neighbor as I g-d myself.
No. I think a little solitude can be peaceful sometimes. I think it would become like hell for the person or people who cuts off someone. Like for those people who cut off Jesus (pbuh). I think thats what I meant by saying, 'see what lives or dies'. On a thread discussing heaven and hell, I'd point to where Jesus (pbuh) says there are mansions in heaven... and the verses describing hell.seattlegal said:Well, consider it from another perspective: wouldn't it be like hell being cut off from everyone else, including God?