so when a saved person goes to heaven

wil said:
I'm being particularly predictable again Q, need another thread to elaborate?

We need a new icon...with a finger (LOL) :D

Ok, ok, i'm on it Wil.
 
mee said:
the book of revelation is inspired of God,far from being false doctrine it is a revealer and an uncoverer in this time of the end .in fact it throws light on many bible prophecies

...and nothing like you are describing...that is what gets me concerned.
 
it seems that the little flock who go to heaven will be approved ."Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.
Jesus was speaking to his disciples, and he called them a "little flock." He was also speaking to those to whom Jehovah would ‘give the kingdom.’ Compared with the vast crowds that would accept Jesus in later times, this group were indeed few in number. They were also considered precious because they were chosen for a remarkable future, to be used in royal service. Their Father, the Great Shepherd, Jehovah, calls the little flock with a view to their receiving a heavenly inheritance in connection with Christ’s Messianic Kingdom
Since Pentecost 33 C.E., these anointed, spirit-begotten ones have served as ambassadors of Christ on earth. (2 Corinthians 5:20) and they have been gathered down through time.Today, only a remnant of them remain, serving together as the faithful and discreet slave class. (Matthew 24:45; Revelation 12:17)
 
mee said:
it seems that the little flock who go to heaven will be approved ."Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.
Jesus was speaking to his disciples, and he called them a "little flock." He was also speaking to those to whom Jehovah would ‘give the kingdom.’ Compared with the vast crowds that would accept Jesus in later times, this group were indeed few in number. They were also considered precious because they were chosen for a remarkable future, to be used in royal service. Their Father, the Great Shepherd, Jehovah, calls the little flock with a view to their receiving a heavenly inheritance in connection with Christ’s Messianic Kingdom
Since Pentecost 33 C.E., these anointed, spirit-begotten ones have served as ambassadors of Christ on earth. (2 Corinthians 5:20) and they have been gathered down through time.Today, only a remnant of them remain, serving together as the faithful and discreet slave class. (Matthew 24:45; Revelation 12:17)

Hmmm, that makes about oh, 2,300,000,000 people whom Jesus has spoken to (and they are the living ones). Know why? Because the Bible is for today and tomorrow. (God said so, His word states this, it is Biblical) Which means that every person who accepts what the Bible says, every person who accepts Jesus the Christ as a personal savior, is guaranteed safe passage into Heaven. Every last one...

A "monapoly game" that no one can lose, Mee. All who accept Christ go to heaven.
 
Quahom1 said:
Mee. All who accept Christ go to heaven.

"Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. matthew 5;5

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,​

And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. psalm 37;11
The transformation of the earth into a paradise will take place under a government that exercises its dominion from heaven, a Kingdom with Jesus Christ as King. (Matthew 6:9, 10) First, that Kingdom will "bring to ruin those ruining the earth." (Revelation 11:18; Daniel 2:44) Then, as the "Prince of Peace," Jesus Christ will fulfill these prophetic words: "To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end." (Isaiah 9:6, 7) Under that Kingdom, millions of humans, including those who will be brought back to life by means of the resurrection, will have the opportunity to inherit the earth.—John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15.
 
Thats called isolating scritpure and its leads to heresy all the time. Take things in context, Mee. All who repents and trust in Christ will go to Heaven. Its the gift of God to save us by Grace alone through faith alone and in Christ finish work alone. Thats why the theif on the cross went to Heaven: Repentance and Faith. You could keep waking people up 7am for the rest of your life and it would do no good, mee. You must repent of your good works and see that apart from Christ, they are nothing but filthy rags. Stop looking at the JWs teaching and pray and pick up the Bible and let the Spirit of God (not an active force) heal you and lead you into truth. You'll find that your Christology and Soteriology is way worng and you will hopefully cry out for Jesus. I know you would...if you really want to. The question remains though, do you really want to love God...The true God?
 
mee said:

"Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. matthew 5;5


But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,​


And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. psalm 37;11
The transformation of the earth into a paradise will take place under a government that exercises its dominion from heaven, a Kingdom with Jesus Christ as King. (Matthew 6:9, 10) First, that Kingdom will "bring to ruin those ruining the earth." (Revelation 11:18; Daniel 2:44) Then, as the "Prince of Peace," Jesus Christ will fulfill these prophetic words: "To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end." (Isaiah 9:6, 7) Under that Kingdom, millions of humans, including those who will be brought back to life by means of the resurrection, will have the opportunity to inherit the earth.—John 5:28, 29; Acts 24:15.

Please point that out in the Beatitudes Mee.
 
Quahom1 said:
Please point that out in the Beatitudes Mee.
the bible harmonizes throughout , And the kingdom is the main theme of the bible ,and Jehovahs will is for humans to live forever on a paradise earth ,and it will all come about through the kingdom.and then DEATH will be swallowed up forever.
Paul says: "[Christ] must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing." (1 Corinthians 15:25, 26) Yes, all traces of Adamic sin and death will have been removed. Of necessity, then, God will have emptied the "memorial tombs" by bringing the dead back to life.—John 5:28.
 
mee said:
the bible harmonizes throughout , And the kingdom is the main theme of the bible ,and Jehovahs will is for humans to live forever on a paradise earth ,and it will all come about through the kingdom.and then DEATH will be swallowed up forever.
Paul says: "[Christ] must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing." (1 Corinthians 15:25, 26) Yes, all traces of Adamic sin and death will have been removed. Of necessity, then, God will have emptied the "memorial tombs" by bringing the dead back to life.—John 5:28.

Fine and dandy. Answer the question. Point out where in the Beatitudes, it shows meek vs. mild tempered. And what rewards they will get...simple enough request. Isn't it?
 
Quahom1 said:
Fine and dandy. Answer the question. Point out where in the Beatitudes, it shows meek vs. mild tempered. And what rewards they will get...simple enough request. Isn't it?
matthew 5;5
 
mee said:
matthew 5;5
Matthew 5:5 in a few different translations. I see alot of meeks, few humbles, a few gentles.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth-KJV
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth-ASV
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth-ESV
Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.-NKJV
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.-Third Millennium
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.-NIV
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.-NRSV
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.-RSV
Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth-NAS
Blessed are the gentle, because they will inherit the earth-HCS
Blessed the meek, for *they* shall inherit the earth-Darby
Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.-Webster
Blessed are the meek, for they as heirs shall obtain possession of the earth.-Weymouth
Blessed are those who are gentle. They will inherit the earth.-God's Word trans
Blessed are the humble, for they shall inherit the earth-World English
How blessed are the meek! for they will inherit the Land!-Complete Jewish Bibile
God blesses those who are gentle and lowly, for the whole earth will belong to them.-NLT
Happy are those who are humble; they will receive what God has promised!-GNT
Those who are humble are happy, because the earth will belong to them-New Century Version
Happy the meek -- because they shall inherit the land-YLT
Blessed are those who are free of pride. They will be given the earth.-NIRV
 
And I heard Bill Gates found in his research there was misprint in the translations and it indicate the geeks would inherit the earth....
 
Dor said:
Matthew 5:5 in a few different translations. I see alot of meeks, few humbles, a few gentles.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth-KJV
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth-ASV
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth-ESV
Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.-NKJV
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.-Third Millennium
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.-NIV
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.-NRSV
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.-RSV
Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth-NAS
Blessed are the gentle, because they will inherit the earth-HCS
Blessed the meek, for *they* shall inherit the earth-Darby
Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.-Webster
Blessed are the meek, for they as heirs shall obtain possession of the earth.-Weymouth
Blessed are those who are gentle. They will inherit the earth.-God's Word trans
Blessed are the humble, for they shall inherit the earth-World English
How blessed are the meek! for they will inherit the Land!-Complete Jewish Bibile
God blesses those who are gentle and lowly, for the whole earth will belong to them.-NLT
Happy are those who are humble; they will receive what God has promised!-GNT
Those who are humble are happy, because the earth will belong to them-New Century Version
Happy the meek -- because they shall inherit the land-YLT
Blessed are those who are free of pride. They will be given the earth.-NIRV
yes that is correct , it seems the meek will inherit the earth,and they will be humble people not prideful people ,they will be willing to be taught by Jehovah .they will certainly be teachable .those who are willing to be taught by Jehovah will inherit the earth ,and if they are taught by Jehovah they will only be taught PEACE.
"They will all be taught by Jehovah."—JOHN 6:45.
If we are taught only what is worldly, we have no lasting future. Happily, though, millions of people in all nations are being taught the divine will with a view to everlasting life. The basis for this hope lies in being taught by Jehovah, the Source of life-giving knowledge.—Psalm 94:9-12.​
God’s firstborn Son, as His first student, was taught to do his Father’s will. (Proverbs 8:22-30; John 8:28) In turn, Jesus indicated that myriads of humans would be taught by his Father. What are the prospects for those of us who learn from God? Jesus said: "It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone that has heard from the Father and has learned comes to me. . . . Most truly I say to you, He that believes has everlasting life."—John 6:45-47.
 
Mildness of temper, is closely related to self-control. Indeed, mildness and self-control were listed together by the apostle Paul when he outlined "the fruitage of the spirit." (Galatians 5:22, 23)
What does it mean to be mild-tempered, and who are the mild-tempered ones that will inherit the earth? To be mild-tempered is to exercise gentleness in conduct or action, not being harsh or unfeeling. The Greek word here rendered "mild-tempered" is praús. It has the meaning of gentleness coupled with power; strength under control. It is a word that is also used to describe a wild animal that has been tamed.
 
prau>paqiva

mildness of disposition, gentleness of spirit, meekness

Meekness toward God is that disposition of spirit in which we accept His dealings with us as good, and therefore without disputing or resisting. In the OT, the meek are those wholly relying on God rather than their own strength to defend them against injustice.

Hmm New Testament greek lexicon does not have any of
It has the meaning of gentleness coupled with power; strength under control. It is a word that is also used to describe a wild animal that has been tamed.
???
 
mee said:
Mildness of temper, is closely related to self-control. Indeed, mildness and self-control were listed together by the apostle Paul when he outlined "the fruitage of the spirit." (Galatians 5:22, 23)
What does it mean to be mild-tempered, and who are the mild-tempered ones that will inherit the earth? To be mild-tempered is to exercise gentleness in conduct or action, not being harsh or unfeeling. The Greek word here rendered "mild-tempered" is praús. It has the meaning of gentleness coupled with power; strength under control. It is a word that is also used to describe a wild animal that has been tamed.

I think, the only ones to know what it means to have a mild temper, are those that don't, or those that have suffered from those that don't. Or maybe it is those who never lose their cool, in thought and in deed. I also know, that mild temper does not mean "meek" in any sense of the word.

My experience is that a mild temper is a decision, not a reaction. Meek, I'm not sure what that means (maybe one for me to grow on). But I thought it meant humble (as in I know who I am, in all my facets), in otherwords no false concepts of the reality of an individual, and accept that I am found lacking.

As far as self-control...LOL, some of the meanest men I have ever known, also have the greatest self control. That is why they are not nut cases, or killers, or crazy. But they can be. That isn't mild of temper, nor meek.

That is self discipline and a dependence upon God to help reinforce it. Maybe that is the "meek" you refer to.
 
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