Why do people try to change Christianity?

Hmmm 1000 yrs ago Christ was still God and the same books were in the Bible.
I do not see many problems for me.:)

No problem for me, either.

I enough faith in God's abilities to believe that He could inspire whom He wished to write what He wished and could inspire those later to choose just the books necessary to benefit those who would read for the next thousands of years and then to inspire them as they read to hear His words as He intended them to be heard in the first place!
 
lol, pseudo-knowledge, tis a bit mean... ... my lil nuggets came from the history of the catholic church... if u have a look for urself, u'll see it plain as day... check juantoo's post, s/he points it out too... I won't hold it against u, though, u being a meanie... takes all sorts.....
 
Why do people try to change Christianity?

Seriously if people do not like Christianity why don't people just find another religion instead of trying to carve Christianity up to fit them?

Do people do it constantly to Islam and Judaism and I just do not see it?

I mean the Bible and Christ are about the only 2 things Christianity has right?
Well if people do not want to believe those then how can they even call themselves Christians?

Where would you draw the line on using that classification?

For the same reason we try to change everything else. To make it better. Not God Himself, perse but our understanding of Him and our relationship with Him. Granted some wish only to destroy the relationship in any way possible, but most simply wish a better relationship, so we come up with ideas that we think are an improvement over the old ways.

Right, wrong or indifferent, it is a fact.

v/r

Joshua
 
And this added exactly what to the discussion?

the paradox. society has and does change interpretations of the bible...

why this isnt the only thing

there are countless preachers giving the wrong mesage. entire congregations doomed forhell.

its strange that the only thing that dooms or saves people is tHEIR OWN ACTIONS AND UNDERSTANDINGS

its also strange that god lets people who think they are doing the right thing do the wrong thing


all the real preachers should start excommunicating all the bad pastors and have a one god one pastor business becuase things are looking bad!
 
the paradox. society has and does change interpretations of the bible...
I agree they do....thats the question why?
why this isnt the only thing

there are countless preachers giving the wrong mesage. entire congregations doomed forhell.
I doubt their are entire congregations but large parts of congregations sure I can see that.
its strange that the only thing that dooms or saves people is tHEIR OWN ACTIONS AND UNDERSTANDINGS
Actually your own actions cant save you
its also strange that god lets people who think they are doing the right thing do the wrong thing


all the real preachers should start excommunicating all the bad pastors and have a one god one pastor business becuase things are looking bad!
I would love it if preachers would start calling out the bad apples.
:)
 
you can only feel the call if you accept the bible to be true right? especilly the sales pitch of original sin and humans being worthy of hell. if you cantfeel lowly enough to agree that god would find it necessary to torment oyu forever, your probably not gonna feel the call. and you are notgonna feel tht bad unless you accept that argument as absolute truth.

im not sure at what point god does any acting. but I know what you and your mind have to do!
 
Well question if someone does not believe the Bible or believe in Christ then why call themself a Christian?
What of those who do believe in the Bible, and Christ, and yet believe different things to you?
 
What of those who do believe in the Bible, and Christ, and yet believe different things to you?
I did not say anything about what I believe.
No one has to agree with me on anything I said people that do not believe the Bible or Christ why do they say they are Christians?
 
What of those who do believe in the Bible, and Christ, and yet believe different things to you?
usually that is the anointing of the holy spirit on an individual or church, their special talents are used to continue the work of christ for the glory of god. either way, as long as christ is the foundation all the works and praise done in christs name give off a sweet savour to God.
 
What of those who do believe in the Bible, and Christ, and yet believe different things to you?

They dance to the beat of a different drum. Doesn't mean God doesn't like the show.

To coin a phrase, "Allah in His infinite wisdom, loves wonderous variety".;)
 
Excellent points. :) And like...before any of the Gospels or Paul's letters were written...

I think that you're right on two counts. No denomination today is exactly like it and I don't think God is going to fail us for doing things a bit differently today.

luna

Could it be because we never consider the K.I.S.S. principle -- keep it simple and stupid?

In John 14:6, Jesus says, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. Nobody comes to the Father except through Me." That seems to suggest that "Truth" is supposed to be simple, not complicated. Moreover, because "I" refers to a human being, Jesus, who was also a spiritual, sentient being like the rest of us, he was also suggesting "Truth is personal." He was also implying that "God is personable."

We can argue about different interpretations, but if we do, we're missing the mark. Such arguments are over technicalities. Jesus said "I am the Way." He, not the technicalities we argue over, is the key to God's Kingdom. Jesus was declaring, "I am the concept."

In a sense, we will always have problems, divisions and factions if we're not focused on Jesus Christ. He alone is the Way, not the dozens and dozens of stories and theories that we think are the Way. The idea is not to come up with philosophies but to pursue something personal -- a relationship with God through Christ. The solution is simple -- ignore the technicalities, embrace something personal.

Dor said:
Ok where are we going to figure out what that was? What do we have that can let us know what it was like then. No one to ask and no video tapes.

So all we have are some books and letters right?

That's right I guess. The early Christians are all dead and none of them are alive now to tell us what to believe. So is Christianity a dead religion?

I would think though, that the whole point of Christianity is that Christ is alive. So the early Christians are all dead, but Christ is alive. So when Jesus says in John 14:17 that "the world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives in you and will be in you," it's a way of saying that the Christ was going to disappear for a while and then reappear in people's hearts.

The "real Christianity," then, is supposed to be something that comes from someone we can't see or touch!!!

We're just left to discover this "religion" that comes from someone who's invisible.

If there is a explanation for all the divisions and factions in Christianity, perhaps it's because we're looking for answers in "this world," and trying to put things in the context of how things work in this world, that we're not trying to discover God by seeking Christ? Is it because we're not in pursuit of a spiritual encounter, but rather, more interested in politics, philosophies and social theories?

Changing Christianity. I don't think it's people trying to change "Christianity." The real Christianity never changes. It's just our perception of it. I think it's because we have a problem believing in someone invisible. Jesus became invisible. The "True Christianity" comes from an invisible man. But where do we find this invisible man? We can't see him. We can't touch him. We have no choice but to create a new kind of "Christianity" that has no need for this invisible man that we can't see or touch. It's our inability to believe in a religion that the Bible says, that Jesus says, now comes from an invisible man.

From what I read in the passage John 14, Christianity is the religion of the invisible man, and Colossians 1:15 says it was also a paradigm of the invisible God. That's the issue. Christianity began with a visible man, but it was meant to lead us to the invisible God.:)

So yep, that's right -- all we have are a bunch of books and letters.

PLUS the Invisible Man.
 
the paradox. society has and does change interpretations of the bible...

why this isnt the only thing

there are countless preachers giving the wrong mesage. entire congregations doomed forhell.

its strange that the only thing that dooms or saves people is tHEIR OWN ACTIONS AND UNDERSTANDINGS

its also strange that god lets people who think they are doing the right thing do the wrong thing


all the real preachers should start excommunicating all the bad pastors and have a one god one pastor business becuase things are looking bad!

Look, we put pastors up on a pedestal, then are the quickest to condemn when they topple. And do you know who helped fell them? Us. Let me tell you something. The best thing that a pastor/reverend/priest can ever hope to be is "human", just like the rest of us. In short, we all have a responsibility to live according to the basic rules as set forth in the Bible.

Where do you get entire congregations doomed to hell? All people need is the desire and the will to follow God...God takes care of the rest, not man. God judges, not man.
 
...From what I read in the passage John 14, Christianity is the religion of the invisible man, and Colossians 1:15 says it was also a paradigm of the invisible God. That's the issue. Christianity began with a visible man, but it was meant to lead us to the invisible God.:)

So yep, that's right -- all we have are a bunch of books and letters.

PLUS the Invisible Man.

Who's we? Some of us see God plain as day...;)
 
What have people been trying to change Christianity from? The Nicene Creed?
Just as the bible said that the false teachers would come , they certainly did with many false teachings not based on accurate knowledge of the bible , and many many people have been misled down through the centuries. and people today even think that those false teachings that came into the congregations are the truth :eek: yes the bible was right false teachings not taught by Jesus mislead many TRINITY,HELLFIRE, IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL, But no worries true worship is alive and well and has been restored .false teachings are offensive to the true God and he wants his true followers to GET OUT OF HER revelation 18;4 and then the true God can take us in.
 
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