islamis4u said:
I thought it is friendly forums but i go to know that we should be aggressive in our approach
ok, it's not about being "aggressive" - it's about understanding how to have dialogue. read the code of conduct again. dialogue is not about telling other people they have to change. it is about *understanding*. and with all due respect, i know more than some about islam and the picture you are giving me is just the same old party line which they teach in pakistani madrassas. i *know* there are more ways of being muslim than the way you suggest. i *know* there are more opinions than those you are expressing. your whole attitude is simply parochial. i presume you know the word "pendu"? well, the world is a big place. if you tried to pass your opinions off in a face-to-face environment, you'd simply be laughed at. i'm sorry, but if you're trying to convert everyone to islam, you're not going to succeed, because you don't understand the people you're talking to. and conversion is not the point of dialogue, either!
You are saying that you should not be misguided so i think you are misguided okay so i invite you okay and that was the approach you are talking about later in this post!!!
i am not misguided. your "inviting" me will not change that. i believe you are the one who is misguided. you are under a misapprehension that i need you to inform me about the truth about islam. i do not. i have it from better sources than you.
First thing if you believe in religion you believe it is right then okay? If it is not right then it is wrong sir!!! The why do you believe in it!!
i believe *my* religion is right for *me*. my religion, unlike yours does not oblige me to "invite" or convert other people to it. i experience the universalism of evangelising religions as insecurity writ large. you should be able to cope with the fact that if G!D had Wanted us all to be members of the same religion, G!D Is perfectly capable of making that so. i believe it even says as much in the Qur'an.
If one religion is right then obviously other is wrong!!
look, you're really not understanding something basic about religion, which is that not all religions are the same. and, moreover, it is perfectly possible to have more than one right answer to certain questions - religion is not mathematics. 1+1 only has one answer, 2. but if you say: "who is your mother?", then that has more than one correct answer, as my mother is also my father's wife, as well as my son's grandmother. now your religion says "we are right and everyone else is wrong", but my religion says "mine is right for us and you can believe what you like as long as you are a good person" - honestly, mate, this is basic logic. and, fyi, it's quite easy to be a good person according to my religion, there are only seven laws and almost everyone keeps all of them without even realising. we just don't believe everyone has to convert to our religion, because it's very difficult and demanding.
What then Christian missionary do why are they send to us Muslims then?
because they are equally silly and think that they are right and everyone else is wrong. however, have you seen any sikh, hindu, zoroastrian, jewish or buddhist missionaries lately? no? well, that's because these religions don't feel the need to convert everyone else. in fact, not all christians feel this need either, just as not all muslims feel the need for it.
If you are English because you would know English better then me if you know then it will be very kind for me or how it will do to me if you can correct me about English you can save me from so many errors i will be making!!!!
well, i'll say your english is getting better as you go along, so keep at it!
You are not doing anything but just playing with words and making the topic complex and nothing else you are not replying with any logic!!!
i don't think you're understanding my answers. these topics are immensely complex and for you to suggest there are simple answers to them (which are presumably to be found in pakistani madrassas) only shows that you are simply ignorant of the world outside of pakistan. i am not "playing with words". i am analysing your arguments and showing how they don't make sense. the trouble is you're not actually used to talking to articulate non-muslims, because you've been taught that you have the answers to everything when what you've actually been taught are the same tired old mediaeval apologetics that all fundamentalists spout. perhaps this is why you're so frustrated - you actually think your arguments are self-evident when in fact they are anything but. i really don't mean to be rude here, but perhaps if you went and travelled the world a bit you might understand how much more complicated things are than they are teaching you in islamabad.
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