In the beginning was the Logos

Hi Seattlegal,

The symbol for justice is the scales.

Of course! Wisdom at every turn ... thanks ...
 
And the scales represent a balancing of two polarities, especially in nature and in our relations with each other. The scales represent a unity within a natural set of realities that are dualistic and seem to be universal in their applicability. The scales are, for example, an analog phenomenon buried within sets of digital/binary interactions. A higher level of knowing perhaps?

flow....;)
 
flowperson said:
And the scales represent a balancing of two polarities, especially in nature and in our relations with each other. The scales represent a unity within a natural set of realities that are dualistic and seem to be universal in their applicability. The scales are, for example, an analog phenomenon buried within sets of digital/binary interactions. A higher level of knowing perhaps?

flow....;)
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Entanglement. {Perhaps this would be more appropriate under the Surrendering to Grace thread?}
 
Seattle:

Entanglement is a good way of putting it all. People who are driven to create original work really are "driven" to do so, and this drive arises from within the self...or as I put it earlier...perhaps something to do with the structural aspect of one's genome.

Once messages are received within the self and put into understandable forms, it becomes an egoless obsession to get the message "right" before it may be shared with others in love. I have replied in this vein on the "surrendering to grace" thread. It's difficult if not impossible to draw distinct boundaries in all of this since IMHO deeper forms of love are involved in the process, which, by their very nature, are not always understandable in human terms other than perhaps through the concept of "agape" as opposed to "father-son", "mother-daughter", "husband-wife", etc.

To me this represents "the higher level of knowing" that I mentioned. It not only works "in the moment" but transcends time and space. It doesen't require physical infrastructure. It just "is" from time to time, and we were placed here to experience "it" and report "it".

flow....:)
 
seattlegal said:
Entanglement. {Perhaps this would be more appropriate under the Surrendering to Grace thread?}
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Yeah, but it's more a surrender to the essential paradoxes, isn't it? Like always reaching but never holding? Or trying to not try? I mean, even if the meaning is in the journey and not the destination, one must have a destination to begin the journey. You can't just sit on the couch and imagine the journey to save the effort.

Justice is balance, but balance needs an essential imbalance to presuppose its necessity.

Chris
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
Yeah, but it's more a surrender to the essential paradoxes, isn't it? Like always reaching but never holding? Or trying to not try? I mean, even if the meaning is in the journey and not the destination, one must have a destination to begin the journey. You can't just sit on the couch and imagine the journey to save the effort.

Justice is balance, but balance needs an essential imbalance to presuppose its necessity.

Chris
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How to respond? The journey is the beautiful thing. Does a journey have to have a destination?
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
Yeah, but it's more a surrender to the essential paradoxes, isn't it? Like always reaching but never holding? Or trying to not try? I mean, even if the meaning is in the journey and not the destination, one must have a destination to begin the journey. You can't just sit on the couch and imagine the journey to save the effort.
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Balance is a dynamic interaction between whatever is on the scales.
Justice is balance, but balance needs an essential imbalance to presuppose its necessity.

Chris
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This is where the concept of mercy comes in.
 
seattlegal said:
Balance is a dynamic interaction between whatever is on the scales.

This is where the concept of mercy comes in.
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Balance is opposing forces working in conjunction, relative to eachother...

Justice is a harsh task master, mercy is all forgiving, balance is the two working together around the core issue (whatever issue that might be). It is as old as the hills and has a symbol
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yin yang.

v/r

Joshua
 
China Cat said:
Justice is balance, but balance needs an essential imbalance to presuppose its necessity.

Seattlegal said:
Balance is a dynamic interaction between whatever is on the scales.

Quahom said:
Balance is opposing forces working in conjunction, relative to each other...

My two pennyworth:
The resolution of the contending polarities is in the third – this is why all duality resolves itself in the Trinity ...

... If I was waxing lyrical, I would say the scales, which are two in a relationship of complimentarity/contrariness, are held by Justice, which is an active aspect of Wisdom ... Justice is blindfold when secular and manmade, precisely because man cannot see his origin nor his end, and unknowing of the alpha and omega, operates always somewhat 'in the dark'.

So the Logos orders the two, but in so doing orders them according to a third, Itself, which is their Cause and Principle – so is 'in' all things and 'above' all things.

Of course, 'movement' itself signifies an imperfection, and as the whole Kosmos moves, it is imperfect, and is caught in the tension of an upward current of its own Potency (its Vocation?), and its Dissolution.

The 'battle' between Tradition and Modernity is not about change so much as movement; perfection and dissolution ... and when 'speed' is the goal and governing factor, then one can assume that the actual movement is downward, despite all appearances of 'Progress'.

Tradition insists the Principle remains constant, Progress becomes its own principle, and its values then become negotiable ... the idea of Balance and Justice is lost.

Thomas
 
Thomas said:
Of course, 'movement' itself signifies an imperfection, and as the whole Kosmos moves, it is imperfect, and is caught in the tension of an upward current of its own Potency (its Vocation?), and its Dissolution.

The 'battle' between Tradition and Modernity is not about change so much as movement; perfection and dissolution ... and when 'speed' is the goal and governing factor, then one can assume that the actual movement is downward, despite all appearances of 'Progress'.

Tradition insists the Principle remains constant, Progress becomes its own principle, and its values then become negotiable ... the idea of Balance and Justice is lost.

Thomas
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The purpose of the scales is to come to rest or stability in order measure objects relative to each other. The purpose of balance is to compensate for change in order to maintain stability.
 
Mercy...I think that mercy is a solely human construct. Mercy implies a consideration of mitigating circumstances. I can't think of an instance where God or nature demonstrates mercy.

Chris
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
Mercy...I think that mercy is a solely human construct. Mercy implies a consideration of mitigating circumstances. I can't think of an instance where God or nature demonstrates mercy.

Chris
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Mercy is leneincy where the full forces of Justice is deseverd. I can think of many instances where God and nature demonstrated mercy...:eek:
 
Quahom1 said:
Mercy is leneincy where the full forces of Justice is deseverd. I can think of many instances where God and nature demonstrated mercy...:eek:
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O.K., well...I'm thinking of "God" in a completely non-anthropomorphic sense. But, could you give me some examples?

Chris
 
I thought I posted this, but...what is God's mercy? Not Bible stories, that's all anthropomorphic. What is an example of mercy from the point of view of the architect of the universe?

Chris
 
Thomas said:
So the Logos orders the two, but in so doing orders them according to a third, Itself, which is their Cause and Principle – so is 'in' all things and 'above' all things.

Of course, 'movement' itself signifies an imperfection, and as the whole Kosmos moves, it is imperfect, and is caught in the tension of an upward current of its own Potency (its Vocation?), and its Dissolution.

The 'battle' between Tradition and Modernity is not about change so much as movement; perfection and dissolution ... and when 'speed' is the goal and governing factor, then one can assume that the actual movement is downward, despite all appearances of 'Progress'.

Tradition insists the Principle remains constant, Progress becomes its own principle, and its values then become negotiable ... the idea of Balance and Justice is lost.

Thomas
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I really love this, Thomas! It reminds me of Psalm 19 (source: sacred-texts.com).

1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

and "I am the Lord, I change not".

Thanks,
Mark
 
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