Microbes

Tao_Equus said:
Well I could not check the sources you quote as they charge a lot of money for the privelige.
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i thought that these were quite interesting.
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Well what do you expect it to say, keep a barrel of your family body wastes in your kitchen? Even a cat burries its waste. Wash your hands after dealing with a corpse......refers to cleaning it of expelled waste at death no doubt....duh!! Someone gona leave **** of the dead on their hands? I dont think so.
Tired of hearing this line from you Mee. Its so weak. Its like a broken record. Tired of your endless links to swill. Congratulate your programers for me....tell them they did a fine job.
 
mee said:
Guns were not around at one time but would it be ok to kill someone with a gun , or would the princible of return your sword to its place apply still. Jehovahs witnesses have medical treatment , but we still stick to the commands from God .
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Now this is interesting. The world changes, you say, but the Bible doesn't. So you have to interpret the biblical text to extract what was the important thing it was telling us. So guns = swords. Fine.

What is the important thing that the verses dealing with consumption of blood telling us? Perhaps it is a prohibition on the ritual drinking of blood to gain the animal spirit, practised in some cultures even today. Perhaps it is a prohibition on consuming an animal's blood and keeping the animal alive, which still happens within some tribes in the Sahara. Or simply a prohibition on eating raw meat, as suggested in one of the verses.

What do you think? Remember this has to be interpreted for today's world, where we have transfusions, not simply read as written. Which of these interpretations is the most likely to be correct?

-cliff
 
Tao_Equus said:
Well what do you expect it to say, keep a barrel of your family body wastes in your kitchen? Even a cat burries its waste. Wash your hands after dealing with a corpse......refers to cleaning it of expelled waste at death no doubt....duh!! Someone gona leave **** of the dead on their hands? I dont think so.
Tired of hearing this line from you Mee. Its so weak. Its like a broken record. Tired of your endless links to swill. Congratulate your programers for me....tell them they did a fine job.
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you really don't see it do you, tao? you don't think it is strange at all that all these Laws were written and applied centuries before man came up with medical science? these seem common sense today because we have better means of cleaning up like shower, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc. but no one really had these things back then. i mean no toilet paper?! what the heck would people use then. rocks. leaves. we were alot more filthy back then. man, thank God for wipies!
 
LeoSalinas22 said:
you really don't see it do you, tao? you don't think it is strange at all that all these Laws were written and applied centuries before man came up with medical science? these seem common sense today because we have better means of cleaning up like shower, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc. but no one really had these things back then. i mean no toilet paper?! what the heck would people use then. rocks. leaves. we were alot more filthy back then. man, thank God for wipies!
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Well i do see your argument!! And that it is a very poor one. Whether it be a cat, a dog, a horse, an elephant or a mouse....they all have ways of keeping clean and free of pests!! You think man only started washing post genesis? You think ancient herbalists had no idea which were the best leaves, roots or berries for a particular ailment? Sorry but proccessed ingredients like willow bark,(contains asprin), and clove, (an anasthetic), and tea-tree, (a disenfectant), have been found at human settlements dating back 20,000 years. The logic of the biblical references was common knowledge, not devine knowledge.
 
I think a lot of the laws were based on good health / town / economic management. I mean - don't get me started on the Sabbath or the Jubilee. But you need to think about what they're about, and not misunderstand them based on our skewed 21st century perspective.
 
Tao_Equus said:
Well what do you expect it to say, keep a barrel of your family body wastes in your kitchen? Even a cat burries its waste. Wash your hands after dealing with a corpse......refers to cleaning it of expelled waste at death no doubt....duh!! Someone gona leave **** of the dead on their hands? I dont think so.
Tired of hearing this line from you Mee. Its so weak. Its like a broken record. Tired of your endless links to swill. Congratulate your programers for me....tell them they did a fine job.
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i think that Jehovahs people back in those days were given these instructions to separate them from the ways of the surrounding nations ,
It is also remarkable when one compares hazardous medical treatments used in the past with what the Bible says. For example, the Papyrus Ebers, a medical document of the ancient Egyptians, prescribed the use of excrement to treat various conditions. It directed that human excrement mixed with fresh milk be applied as a poultice to lesions that remain after scabs fall off. And a remedy for drawing out splinters reads: "Worms’ blood, cook and crush in oil; mole, kill, cook, and drain in oil; ass’s dung, mix in fresh milk. Apply to the opening." Such treatment, it is now known, can result in serious infections.​
What does the Bible say about excrement? It directed: "When you squat outside, you must also dig a hole with [a digging instrument] and turn and cover your excrement." (Deuteronomy 23:13) So, far from prescribing excrement in medical treatment, the Bible directed the safe disposal of sewage. Up until the present century the danger of leaving excrement exposed to flies was generally not known. This resulted in the spread of serious fly-borne diseases and the death of many people. Yet the simple remedy was on record in the Bible all the time, and it was followed by the Israelites over 3,000 years ago.
 
Virtual_Cliff said:
Now this is interesting. The world changes, you say, but the Bible doesn't. So you have to interpret the biblical text to extract what was the important thing it was telling us. So guns = swords. Fine.

What is the important thing that the verses dealing with consumption of blood telling us? Perhaps it is a prohibition on the ritual drinking of blood to gain the animal spirit, practised in some cultures even today. Perhaps it is a prohibition on consuming an animal's blood and keeping the animal alive, which still happens within some tribes in the Sahara. Or simply a prohibition on eating raw meat, as suggested in one of the verses.

What do you think? Remember this has to be interpreted for today's world, where we have transfusions, not simply read as written. Which of these interpretations is the most likely to be correct?

-cliff
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blood is sacred
 
mee said:
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For example, the Papyrus Ebers, a medical document of the ancient Egyptians, prescribed the use of excrement to treat various conditions. It directed that human excrement mixed with fresh milk be applied as a poultice to lesions that remain after scabs fall off. ​
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Excretement or Urine? Your own fresh urine is indeed a great help in aiding the toughning of the skin on burst blisters for example.


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What does the Bible say about excrement? It directed: "When you squat outside, you must also dig a hole with [a digging instrument] and turn and cover your excrement." (Deuteronomy 23:13)
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What a clever pussy cat my neighbour has!! It must have learned to do that reading the bible!!
 
Tao_Equus said:
Excretement or Urine? Your own fresh urine is indeed a great help in aiding the toughning of the skin on burst blisters for example.


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What a clever pussy cat my neighbour has!! It must have learned to do that reading the bible!!
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or maybe that clever pussy cat is instinctively wise.:) hope they wash there hand before shaking someones hand .
 
mee said:
it certainly would be .
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Ahhh so god gives the cat an instinct, however humans have to have it written down in some obscure parables!!! I get you. By the way most wild members of the Cat family dont bury it at all but use it to mark territories. So do you think our domestic cats maybe did steal a peek at our bibles after all?
 
Tao_Equus said:
Ahhh so god gives the cat an instinct, however humans have to have it written down in some obscure parables!!! I get you. By the way most wild members of the Cat family dont bury it at all but use it to mark territories. So do you think our domestic cats maybe did steal a peek at our bibles after all?
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animals have alsorts of instinct programed into them, but i am glad to say that humans are not made that way we are made in Gods image , look at the way birds migrate, but they dont read maps, us being made in Gods image means that we can put into pratice LOVE, JUSTICE, WISDOM, AND POWER. we have that choice, but animals do what they are programed to do , we have freewill , animals dont have freewill we can choose to put love into practice, we can choose to act in a just way, we can acquire wisdom or choose to remain ignorant, and we can choose to have power or not , but animals do just what the creator programed them to do . they do not have reasoning abilities. they can only go so far in their learning abilities. i havent met a dog yet that can invent things like man can. thats because they do not have wisdom to do that. but many animals are instinctly wise in different ways .
 
mee said:
Revenge of the Microbes - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
Microbes both old and new are on the rampage, threatening, afflicting, or killing countless millions of people worldwide.
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The "microbes" are really secret agents of Planet Earth (which is really one great organisim) and are organising themselves as we speak (type) for a mission to fight the parasites (humans) which have taken over the planet and are threatening to kill it and every living creature on it (including the microbes themselves) - these parasitic humans are on a "rampage, threatening, afflicting, killing countless millions worldwide".

It is REVENGE OF THE MICROBES. They have been waiting for this moment - their leaders have been prophesising this for millenia - ever since they swam in the primordial soup (better not be be boiled). Of course there are a few splinter groups of microbes who carry on as if nothing is going to happen. They are just "party" microbes and haven't heard the news from the Microbes Witnesses.

its "SUPERBUGS" - the microbes for the new millenium.
 
ardenz said:
The "microbes" are really secret agents of Planet Earth (which is really one great organisim) and are organising themselves as we speak (type) for a mission to fight the parasites (humans) which have taken over the planet and are threatening to kill it and every living creature on it (including the microbes themselves) - these parasitic humans are on a "rampage, threatening, afflicting, killing countless millions worldwide".

It is REVENGE OF THE MICROBES. They have been waiting for this moment - their leaders have been prophesising this for millenia - ever since they swam in the primordial soup (better not be be boiled). Of course there are a few splinter groups of microbes who carry on as if nothing is going to happen. They are just "party" microbes and haven't heard the news from the Microbes Witnesses.

its "SUPERBUGS" - the microbes for the new millenium.
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Hey, ardenz, is it the potcheen?:p

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