worship or serve the Christ?

BlaznFattyz said:
no he never demanded worship for he came to serve, but those whose eyes were opened saw that the son god was among them, and in acknowledging that, they worshipped him, and christ received it.


Matt. 4:10 - "Then Jesus *said to him, 'Begone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only."’"​



Matt. 2:2 - "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east, and have come to worship Him."​



Matt. 2:11 - "And they came into the house and saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell down and worshiped Him; and opening their treasures they presented to Him gifts of gold and frankincense and myrrh."​



Matt. 14:33 - "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God’s Son!"​



Matt. 28:9 - "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."​



John 9:35-38 - "Jesus heard that they had put him out; and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36He answered and said, "And who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" 37Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you." 38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him."​



Heb. 1:6 - "And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him.'"​
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But in all this you and I are in agreement. We choose to worship. We are not commanded to. And that is the best way for a King to have dominion...by people willing to be subject to him and who willingly revere him.

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Q
 
Quahom1 said:
But in all this you and I are in agreement. We choose to worship. We are not commanded to. And that is the best way for a King to have dominion...by people willing to be subject to him and who willingly revere him.

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Q
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very true and here they are in revelation 7;9-10
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."..................... nice

 
mee said:
very true and here they are in revelation 7;9-10
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."..................... nice
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Amazing! That is the third time we agree on something...will wonders never cease...:eek:
 
Quahom1 said:
Amazing! That is the third time we agree on something...will wonders never cease...:eek:
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revelation 7;9-10 are being gathered all over the world and these ones spoken of in revelation are some of the OTHER SHEEP of JOHN 10;16 and they are welcoming Jesus as king of Gods kingdom , there is no salvation in anyone else . Jesus has been given great aurthority , he is a reigning king Daniel 7;13-14 and he was given this kingship in 1914 inline with bible prophecy and chronology .......... NICE :)
 
mee said:
and he was given this kingship in 1914 inline with bible prophecy and chronology .......... NICE :)
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i dont see why ever post in the christian forum has to be injected with your watchtower numerology.
 
BlaznFattyz said:
i dont see why ever post in the christian forum has to be injected with your watchtower numerology.
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if you are refering to the year of 1914 ,which is the year that Jesus recieved his kingship in the heavenly kingdom Daniel 7;13-14 Daniel 2;44 its
because its inline with true bible teaching ,and the truth is what it is all about . but not all people like the truth and it hurts a little bit when they hear it . but in other peoples ears it is very GOODNEWS and then they like to make it known to others because it is such goodnews matthew 24;14
Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first. mark 13;10
 
wil said:
the funny thing is how that comes from so many folks...so many directions...and at each other...and that there is some enjoyment in saying it.
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there is great opposition to the kingdom even though it is goodnews , its good to know that the heavenly kingdom will crush and put an end to manmade goverments , Daniel 2;44 and that the kingship has been given to the son of God Jesus christ ,Daniel 7;13-14 it is goodnews that Jesus will do things right .ISAIAH 9;6-7 and yes there is great enjoyment in making it known . that is what the goodnews is all about , but many have really lost the plot when it comes to the goodnews , they dont really know what the goodnews really is about . and believe me when i say that it is only Jehovahs witnesses who really make it known . but many so called christians are in the dark about what the kingdom really is and about bible prophecy. but those who put there trust in this kingdom will never be disappointed. yes this witness is putting people on notice, and it is ONLY Jehovahs people making it known .And it is GLOBAL
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 and it is a known fact that those in opposition do not want it made known .
 
mee said:
and believe me when i say that it is only Jehovahs witnesses who really make it known .
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im sorry but that is untrue. jw make known their take on biblical scripture via the watchtower, and the christian church makes known, alot thru evangelism all over the world, by the spirit of christ.
 
LeoSalinas22 said:
hello everyone,
i know this may have been discussed before in another thread but i can't find it so i started this one. i have been reading alot lately and questioning the claim from religious people that Christ is God Himself. i came across these verses in the book of Daniel. what i find most noteworthy is that the Tanach and KJV say that man will serve the Christ and not worship Him. now, the NIV version says that man will worship Him (is NIV version bias?). i myself am very "iffy" on worshipping a man. especially since God Himself in the Tanach or Old Testament says that man should only worship God and only Him (Deuteronomy 4:35-39, 6:4, & 32:39). Christ Himself never claims that He is God Himself. though, people then and people now see it that way to this day! my question being to everyone is this: should we worship or serve God's Christ?

the Tanach

Daniel 7:13. I saw in the visions of the night, and behold with the clouds of the heaven, one like a man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days and was brought before Him.
14. And He gave him dominion and glory and a kingdom, and all peoples, nations, and tongues shall serve him; his dominion is an eternal dominion, which will not be removed, and his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.

KJV

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

NIV

Daniel 7:13 "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

thanks for reading and peace be upon you all.
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The devotion (practical service without aspiration of any fruit in return) will lead you to the abode of God.

The good works will lead you to heaven temporarily. The bad works will lead you to hell temporarily till you are transformed at least to a large extent. You may enter even the permanent liquid fire or hell for your endless sin, where you have to stay till you are completely transformed. The devotion (practical service without aspiration of any fruit in return) will lead you to the abode of God. If your devotion is limited to the energetic forms of the upper world or the past human incarnations, you have to return back from the abode of the God (Abrahma Bhuvanat..Gita). If your devotion is limited to your contemporary human incarnation, you will reach the abode of God forever (Yat Gatva na nivartante…Gita). Of course, you will be coming to the earth in human form along with the God in human form to assist Him in His mission so that you are in the permanent association of God.
 
mee said:
you seem to have added other thoughts on to that verse.
Jesus Christ himself said, "The Father is greater than I am" and referred to the Father as his God, "the only true God." (Joh 14:28; 17:3; 20:17; Mr 15:34; Re 1:1; 3:12) On numerous occasions Jesus expressed his inferiority and subordination to his Father. (Mt 4:9, 10; 20:23; Lu 22:41, 42; Joh 5:19; 8:42; 13:16) Even after Jesus’ ascension into heaven his apostles continued to present the same picture.—1Co 11:3; 15:20, 24-28; 1Pe 1:3; 1Jo 2:1; 4:9, 10.
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No Im stating the sum of the whole.. you are guilty of taking one verse and creating a doctrine from it wiihtout taking into consideration the rest of what HE said.
 
BlaznFattyz said:
im sorry but that is untrue. jw make known their take on biblical scripture via the watchtower, and the christian church makes known, alot thru evangelism all over the world, by the spirit of christ.
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its good to know that there are christians ,(Jehovahs witnesses) who are making known about the kingdom goodnews Daniel 2;44 matthew 28;19-20 matthew 24;14 and this preaching about the goodnews is bringing a great crowd from all nations into unity. revelation 7;9-10. when the holy spirit(Gods active force) is with those doing the will of God, great things are accomlished . :)
 
wil said:
the funny thing is how that comes from so many folks...so many directions...and at each other...and that there is some enjoyment in saying it.
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there is great enjoyment in making known the kingdom goodnews... matthew 24;14 only Gods way of ruling will bring paradise conditions to the earth, thats because Jesus has recieved his kingship Daniel 7;13-14 and he is the prince of peace . and those who respond to the goodnews of the kingdom, and welcome Jesus as Gods reigning king , will go on to recieve great blessings for ever, even everlasting life in a paradise earth .
 
I watched this arguement tear a church apart. Trying to make a doctrinal belief out of something that the Bible left as a Mystery.

And without controversy GREAT IS THE MYSTERY of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Father today how may I worship and serve you?
Dear Jesus today how may I worship and serve you?

There are truths about life and adulthood we hold back from our children they dont think its fair that they have to wait but we as parents know what is best.
 
Basstian said:
I watched this arguement tear a church apart. Trying to make a doctrinal belief out of something that the Bible left as a Mystery.

And without controversy GREAT IS THE MYSTERY of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Father today how may I worship and serve you?
Dear Jesus today how may I worship and serve you?

There are truths about life and adulthood we hold back from our children they dont think its fair that they have to wait but we as parents know what is best.
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"God is not a God of confusion."—1 Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS).
 
ya know it isn't worship or serve Christ....until...

Jesus told us, before we worship, before we bring our offering to the altar....if we have any grief with our brother (fellowman) we make good on that. The old love your enemy, don't be guilty of murder...we must first forgive all, must first love our neighbor....no worshiping, no serving...

anyone done with the forgiveness portion? the unconditional love of your neighbor portion?
 
wil said:
anyone done with the forgiveness portion? the unconditional love of your neighbor portion?
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BRAVO WIL, BRAVO.

We could each spend our entire lifetime and still not get our own duties to G-d right, yet we spend so long arguing our corner to prove we are right and another is wrong :eek:

(hope you don't mind me sneaking onto the Christianity board for a moment but I was so moved by what Wil said, it summed it up for me in a nutshell so I felt the need to wave my banner in support).
 
Muslimwoman said:
BRAVO WIL, BRAVO.

We could each spend our entire lifetime and still not get our own duties to G-d right, yet we spend so long arguing our corner to prove we are right and another is wrong :eek:

(hope you don't mind me sneaking onto the Christianity board for a moment but I was so moved by what Wil said, it summed it up for me in a nutshell so I felt the need to wave my banner in support).
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wil does make a good point, Muslimwoman. And Jesus had much to say about forgiving others: Matthew 6:12, 14, Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:24-26, Luke 6:37, Luke 7:47, Luke 17:3, John 20:23.

Forgiveness has the effect of freeing the guilty conscience of others. When you forgive someone, you are setting them free. Forgiving others frees your own soul from bittereness building up, you set them free in your heart, so that you might move on. The hard part is the forgetting. :eek:
 
wil that was a great point.

As to being confusing,
I dont believe that verse read And without controversy GREAT IS THE CONFUSION of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

I know Christ as my personal saviour I believe he died on the Cross for my sins and rose from the grave. This being something I did not deserve. He has shown me Grace and Mercy and I will worship and serve him.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

I see no confusion in that.
 
Dondi said:
Forgiveness has the effect of freeing the guilty conscience of others. When you forgive someone, you are setting them free. Forgiving others frees your own soul from bittereness building up, you set them free in your heart, so that you might move on. The hard part is the forgetting. :eek:
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Namaste all, thank you for the kind words but we all know that the wisdom of the ages tells us this, we but have to remember...and remember...and remember.

To me forgiveness is one of the most selfish things we can do (remember selfishness is a virtue, you can't lead or take care of others till you take care of yourself). Forgiveness is never for the other guy, it is always for us, as for forgetting I prefer to remember the incident, and know that it is forgiven and holds no power. If I have the ability to forget, I have no need to forgive. But if I forgive I quit giving away my power.

ps forgiving the insignificant small things is as important as the large seemingly insurmountable things, and vice versa...all must be forgiven.
 
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