Ouija Boards

magic?

"after 20+ years studying occult topics"

was it worth it? did you ever learn anything concrete?

amitabha
 
Zazen said:
"after 20+ years studying occult topics"

was it worth it? did you ever learn anything concrete?
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I've learned that there is a huge amount that we really don't know about, particularly about how the mind works, our place in the universe, and whether we are the only intelligence (corporeal or not) in existence.

There is a lot that we humans are capable of that we often mistakenly attribute to outside forces. And there are a lot of things we tend to think of as being in our control that really isn't.

Love is a huge and very powerful force that really deserves a lot more conscious attention.

Creativity is a very primal way of touching the Divine. And the Divine really does dwell, at least in part, within each and every one of us.
 
bgruagach said:
I've learned that there is a huge amount that we really don't know about, particularly about how the mind works, our place in the universe, and whether we are the only intelligence (corporeal or not) in existence.

There is a lot that we humans are capable of that we often mistakenly attribute to outside forces. And there are a lot of things we tend to think of as being in our control that really isn't.

Love is a huge and very powerful force that really deserves a lot more conscious attention.

Creativity is a very primal way of touching the Divine. And the Divine really does dwell, at least in part, within each and every one of us.
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We should put that reply somewhere far more visible - good post, Ben. :)
 
The Ouija board is a lot of fun. I grew up with one, I used to play it with my mother while other kids played monopoly. I eventually introduced a few of them to the board. We grew bored of the board because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how it works and trust me-there is no magic or spirits involved.

Mom also played Ouija board with my kid sister, who was given the looks in the family. About 20 some years ago when Mom died my sister took it very hard and didn't know what to do with her life and asked me to help her to contact Mom with the Ouija board.

Well my sister asked all kind of questions and the board gave her all kind of answers. She was convinced she was talking to Mom's spirit or at least some kind of spirit.

When I joined the rank of the non-believers, my sister could not believe it. She questioned me. "How do you explain all those answers with the Ouija board after Mom died?"

I confessed. "I moved the piece" I told her.

Keep the board nice and smooth- it requires only a very light touch to make the pointer glide across the surface.

Demons my butt.

And us 9 nine year kids who stopped using the Ouija board? We knew when the Gruber boys were moving it because all of a sudden the spirit couldn't spell worth a darn. Want to put a real stopper in the Ouija board nonsense? Just ask it a question neither one who uses the board can answer, but can be easily looked up like, "Spell the Russian word for foot."

All of a sudden your demon is a moron.
 
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Nogodnomasters said:
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Demons my butt.

And us 9 nine year kids who stopped using the Ouija board? We knew when the Gruber boys were moving it because all of a sudden the spirit couldn't spell worth a darn. Want to put a real stopper in the Ouija board nonsense? Just ask it a question neither one who uses the board can answer, but can be easily looked up like, "Spell the Russian word for foot."

All of a sudden your demon is a moron.
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Nogo, that's a very good evisceration of the Ouija genie.

I agree with your position that any movements taking place with the Ouija pointer is from the participants, whether knowingly or granting for the sake of argument unknowingly.

But there are still believers who won't accept this explanation; they maintain the movements may come from the participants but are dictated by spirits, demons, or invisible entities. So the genie is still there.

And there are genies who don't know Russian; for genies are like people who might know only one language.


I think we must produce a more versatile stratagem to take away all the refuges of the genie, the method consisting in first allowing that the Ouija genie does indeed exist, but then showing that it is a feeble and ignorant thereby inutile genie; for when it is challenged on knowledge of facts and physical prowess, which are the things really useful in the real world, the genie will certainly flunk.


You have shown how it is ignorant of a simple fact as the word in Russian for shoe. Now, as regards information that is divorced totally from facts, like whether some deceased person is in hell or heaven, the supposed dictation of the genie is gratuitous speculation, bereft of any argumentative force.

What about the feeble strength of the genie? Let's consider again the exercise I described in two earlier posts, about a robust guy pushing the pointer to spell out at least innocuous messages, and being able to overcome any movements from other sources whatever. That shows that the genie if it be present can be overcome by plain muscle power of a guy who is out to discredit him.

These two tests, the one on knowledge of facts and the other on physical power can convince thinking people that even granting some kind of genie be present, it is an inutile genie, good only for amusement; that's why the Ouija Board is a game.


Susma Rio Sep
 
Demons? More like angered spirits if you're unlucky.

Many do go playing with the Ouija and experience nothing more than the scare, giggle that they were seeking, some are not so lucky.
But I do have very definite opinions on the board and I believe I have already given them. I suppose its going to be a case of agree to disagree on the subject. For those who wish to connect with the spirit world, the spirits who wish to communicate with the living will do so anyway, they always find a method.
A friend of mine has recently had to deal with the consequences of the Ouija when its gone wrong. I am not going to go into the full story it is hers, and I am not plagurising the site so if you wish to read the story.
http://www.ghostwatch.org.uk/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=21&TopicID=44&PagePosition=1
I also lived in a house that bore the consequences of someone playing with the board and brought 2 spirits through. One was no problem, I could live with it. The other. I have no idea what it was, whether it was a poltergeist or merely energy of some sort, it didn't communicate....although I suppose it did. I ended up in hospital 3 times through it.
I don't hold my opinions upon the board without good reason.
 
Hello my experience with the Ouija board and spirit communication goes back to my childhood. My brother, sister and myself were mediumistic and held "sittings" as children. As an adult I have sat in the medium's cabinet and have done trance mediumship and my brother is a remote viewer ala the Monroe Institue.
A lot of good has come through the Ouija Board. Jane Roberts used the Ouija Board for the "Seth Material" which had a great impact on a lot of alternative (new age) spirituality. Also, I have just read that Paul Foster Case, Harriet Case and Ann Davies recieved information from "Master R" for part of the "Book of Tokens". Case and Davis were founders of B.O.T.A. (Builders of the Adytum).
Like any tool, the Ouija board can be tricky especially in untrained hands. Usually the Ouija is a begining tool, however, I used one several years ago ( for old times sake) and did make some contact with a " brother John" , but found the communication easier sitting as a trance medium. I believe that Spiritualism and Spiritism are valid religions...thanks for listening, Phillip.
 
suanni said:
The tarot. Aah, now there can be many takes on that one. Some people actually see the tarot as evil and there are many superstitions associated with the cards. Those who use the Tarot know that the cards guide and no more. The future is not set. No spirit is called upon for a reading and this may be the difference. In the use of the Ouija, spirits are called upon, and it is often assumed that the spirits know what is to come and that they never lie. That is not true.
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Namasté Suanni,

Sorry for the delayed reply; I just joined this thread. You echo my thoughts exactly--the Tarot does not invoke spirits--they simply guide and no more. Like Bgruagach mentioned a bit later in the discussion, tools such as the Tarot, pendulums and dowsing rods tell you pretty much what you already know. Many accomplished authors in this field will say the same.

As for me, I stay far away from the Ouija board.
 
Do you know who's fault it really is.
it says in bible that God let the devil live.
I be getting a vintage ouija board but it won't be used to call spirits.
when I was kid in the 60s there was ouija board in my bedroom on my shelf, nothing really did not happen , misfutunes happen everytime
but no one never used one. ghost hunters seen ghost but no ouija board,
if there evil in the world it's God's fault for letting the devil live.
when home PCs came out they belly ache about sexual; peds
stalking online, they always belly acheing about some thing
 
I don't know if you guys have ever heard of Derren Brown but he's a mind reader of sorts in Britain. He doesn't claim to have any psychic powers, he just uses psychology etc. He did a live programme a few years back called Derren Brown: Seance. He demonstrated how the body subconciously makes you move the glass on the board. They're little tiny movement that you don't really notice but it happens. It also happens with table tipping. I highly suggest watching Derren Brown (you can download his stuff from various sites), he's an absolute legend and definately makes you think.

I've heard many stories about Ouija boards. They're generally something I stay away from as I don't know too much. I think I just watched too many horror movies lol!!
 
That could be said about almost everything.... just depends on your viewpoint I guess. :)
 
Snugglepuff said:
He demonstrated how the body subconciously makes you move the glass on the board. They're little tiny movement that you don't really notice but it happens. It also happens with table tipping.
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*sigh*

Prove it under controlled conditions and he becomes the most famous man on the Earth.

What's stopping him?

Or do his powers fail under examination? Not very powerful, if you ask me.
 
That's the point Snugglefluff is making - that at best the persons touching the glass are moving it subconsciously, hence why a glass may move - but not apparently due to external (ie, non-human) forces.

Derren Brown has turned interpreting how easily affected we are by subconscious cues into a form of TV entertainment. :)
 
Lol, it appears that my board name is already mutating! Derren Brown is great because he disproves things that haven't really been proved before. Look on YouTube for his mediumship clip, it's quite uncomfortable especially seeing as he says he's not a psychic, he's just using cold reading and such.
 
I said:
That's the point Snugglefluff is making - that at best the persons touching the glass are moving it subconsciously, hence why a glass may move - but not apparently due to external (ie, non-human) forces.

Derren Brown has turned interpreting how easily affected we are by subconscious cues into a form of TV entertainment. :)
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Phew!!! Sorry, my bad! :eek: :eek: :eek:

For a moment there I'd thought we'd lost another one to "the dark side".

I'll try to read a little more carefully in the future.
 
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LOL, what did you think I meant?? The "dark side"??
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I'd never heard of Derren Brown... being an ignorant American and all.

I thought you said he could move glass subconsciously... Telekenetically (is that spelled right?).

"The dark side" is the side of people who want to believe in magic, instead of rationality and reason (if those are two separate things).

So I checked out a couple of Derren Brown youtubes and loved them. My only question—because a scientist has to count the misses as well as the hits—is whether he played the BMX bike trick on a hundred people and just showed the one who played into his hand?

Other than that lingering question, it very entertaining and revealing as to how the human mind can react under certain circumstances. Thanks for sharing.
 
Snugglepuff said:
Lol, it appears that my board name is already mutating! Derren Brown is great because he disproves things that haven't really been proved before. Look on YouTube for his mediumship clip, it's quite uncomfortable especially seeing as he says he's not a psychic, he's just using cold reading and such.
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Pants - it's getting late here and it's been a loooong day.

Actually double checked to make sure I haven't been calling you "SnugglePuss". That's from something I've read/seen, I'm sure. Bets on how long it takes for someone to address you as that. :D



citizenzen said:
Phew!!! Sorry, my bad! :eek: :eek: :eek:

For a moment there I'd thought we'd lost another one to "the dark side".

I'll try to read a little more carefully in the future.
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One of the joys of having an international community together in one place. :)

I still have to Google a number of references to US figures, and what they represent. Rush Limbaugh?
 
citizenzen said:
I'd never heard of Derren Brown... being an ignorant American and all.

I thought you said he could move glass subconsciously... Telekenetically (is that spelled right?).

"The dark side" is the side of people who want to believe in magic, instead of rationality and reason (if those are two separate things).

So I checked out a couple of Derren Brown youtubes and loved them. My only question—because a scientist has to count the misses as well as the hits—is whether he played the BMX bike trick on a hundred people and just showed the one who played into his hand?

Other than that lingering question, it very entertaining and revealing as to how the human mind can react under certain circumstances. Thanks for sharing.
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Yeah I meant the movements being subconscious as in, being unaware that you're doing it. Telekinesis would be awesome though.

I believe in certain elements of magick, but have my own theories on them. I'm not one of those crazies that believe I can maipulate the weather.

The BMX trick is pretty awesome.... he's also done it with a nursery school teacher and a story... see if you can find it. It's pretty much the same just with a different word. Very interesting though. You should look at his live shows (available through certain sites... eh hem... I don't think I can mention them). They're pretty awesome.
 
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