Ouiji Boards?

mee said:
LOL depends what sort of forum i am on . i am on this one to talk about the bible because it is a religious forum . and the bible is my favourite topic so why not talk about it .

There is a collection of 66 “letters” or writings inspired and provided by the Creator that contain vital information and counsel for us all. That collection of inspired writings is: the Bible
it is the only book on earth that gives a clear account of man’s origin, why his present problems exist and what his future will be. The Bible is, unquestionably, unique.
The Bible’s historical account shows that after the creation in Eden of God’s first human son and daughter, Adam and Eve, a certain powerful angel, moved by vanity and ambition, rebelled against God. Using deception and appealing to selfishness, he succeeded in getting the first human pair to join him in his rebellion. Since he became the enemy of Jehovah, the Creator, he is called Satan, which in Hebrew means “resister”, or “adversary.” (Genesis 3:1-13; Revelation 12:9) He later induced other heavenly sons of God or angels to follow a similar course of rebellion.

Concerning the true condition of the dead, God’s Word says: “As for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) Can they express either affection or hatred for the living? Again the Bible answers: “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished . . . for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [Hebrew word for the grave, the place to which the dead go].” (Ecclesiastes 9:6, 10) Confirming this, Psalm 146:4 says that man “goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.
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Oh, I am well versed in the bible, Mee, don't you think it odd that many of the gospels are omitted, shall I list those which are not spoken of, because, well, because even they would seem to absurd to even the most religous religionist?
 
bgruagach said:
That seems awfully contradictory, Mee. If there are spirits of the dead (whether they are able to speak to the living through something like the Ouija or not) then clearly something of them survives death.

From your Bible-inerrantist perspective, are these spirits of the dead real or not? The quotes you've given and the statements you just made seem to attempt to prove both that they exist and that they do not exist.
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dead people are dead , but spirit creatures in opposition to God ( rebellious angels) are misleading people on earth by lying and pretending to be dead people . and it serves a purpose for Satan(rebellious angel) because it promotes the lie that we do not die . Satan is the one who instigated that first lie .(you will not die)
 
enlightenment said:
Oh, I am well versed in the bible, Mee, don't you think it odd that many of the gospels are omitted, shall I list those which are not spoken of, because, well, because even they would seem to absurd to even the most religous religionist?
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its good that the bible as we have it, harmonizes from Genesis to Revelation and Gods purpose is working out fine and its all in the 66 little books . the inspired scriptures are all in place .
 
mee said:
dead people are dead , but spirit creatures in opposition to God ( rebellious angels) are misleading people on earth by lying and pretending to be dead people . and it serves a purpose for Satan(rebellious angel) because it promotes the lie that we do not die . Satan is the one who instigated that first lie .(you will not die)
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I thought the Christian teaching about death was that souls continue on, and that the worthy exist for an eternity in heaven?

If messages from invisible beings are invariably from evil spirits, then why should anyone put trust in prayer? How should we know the responses to prayer are not also evil spirits?

And if the responses to prayer are not evil spirits, then why should the responses that come through divination be assumed to be from evil spirits?
 
The other crap I don't get... (I understand it but don't -get- it there is a difference) Why bother? I don't believe there is anything at all good or bad out there... BUT for fun, let's say there is... This demonic fallen angel would... Pretend to be a dead human? to decieve you? I am sure you should give more credit than that... If I was an angel of the forsaken kind, I wouldn't bother with trying to pretend to be your dead grandmother... I'd pretend to be -your- god... Pray to Jah, and I will make sure you get what you pray for.... But, at a price ;)
 
bgruagach said:
I thought the Christian teaching about death was that souls continue on, and that the worthy exist for an eternity in heaven?
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the teaching that you mention about souls continuing
on ,is not a bible teaching .It is a teaching that has made its way into many religions. But it is not a bible teaching and many have been misled by the teaching of .....THE IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL............. the bble teaches about the resurrection ,which is something completely different.
 
17th Angel said:
If I was an angel of the forsaken kind, I wouldn't bother with trying to pretend to be your dead grandmother... I'd pretend to be -your- god... Pray to Jah, and I will make sure you get what you pray for.... But, at a price ;)
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the bible already tells us to do that ,(pray to Jehovah)so if he did that he would be inline with the true Gods purpose. so that would be out . getting people to believe lies would be more up his street. as he is an angel of light he makes it seem good when really it is nothing but lies . speaking to so called dead loved ones is something that appears to be good ,but it is an untruth along with the teaching of the IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL..............yes he really does have people in his power , many many have got to believe the lies of satan . but the bible tells us the right way to go . and it tells us the truth .

1 john 5;19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.
 
mee said:
its good that the bible as we have it, harmonizes from Genesis to Revelation and Gods purpose is working out fine and its all in the 66 little books . the inspired scriptures are all in place .
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If there is one thing I find about theists, esp those on message boards, Mee, it is that they are experts at one thing, and that is avoiding questions, direct questions, that have been asked of them.

What you have just written above, to use just one example, in no way is answers the actual question that I set you.

In life Mee, when someone habitually avoids pointed questions, what conclusions would you make of them doing that, as I think most of us would take such avoidance as fear of facing logical and rational questions.

It is natural, I suppose, that they must do so, if they are espouting a fairytale.

Ya know, Mee, there was a book that created a lot of fuss among Christians, esp Catholic hierarchy, and that book was called the Di Vinci Code.

You may have heard of it..?

Like most theists, they were 'offended' by it...:rolleyes:

Yet, that book had nothing there to be offeneded over, it was a work of fiction, therefore, not worth being offended about.

The bible was a work of fiction, written by men, as well.

The only difference between the two books is the time line in which they were written.

One is recent fiction.

The other is ancient fiction.
 
enlightenment said:
If there is one thing I find about theists, esp those on message boards, Mee, it is that they are experts at one thing, and that is avoiding questions, direct questions, that have been asked of them.
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This reminds me of the Pinocchio character in "Shrek 3" (which I just watched this weekend with the kids.) There's a scene where the bad guy has Pinocchio captured and is demanding to be told where Shrek has gone. Pinocchio gives a response that would have made many a lawyer beam with pride.

They have that particular clip (complete with subtitles) at this webpage.

It's funny in a movie but it really doesn't help in a real-life discussion.
 
I would not want a board with sign of the devil or a Nazi symbol on it
now that's a evil board
 
i think he or she meant the swastika. you probably knew that already, bruh.
 
Swastika... It represented love way before it was taken on by the Nazi's... I guess, what I am trying to get at is a symbol is just a symbol it isn't evil it isn't good, not until man takes it and molds it with his ideas and opinions.... So The banner means nothing, to me that is (waits for all the patriots to come ranting at him.) It is just a way for humans to to attempt to express without their words... The symbol is nothing but an image held high to rally those of the same views...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...gy_drink.jpg/337px-Red_Devil_energy_drink.jpg

That can has a picture of "satan" and even says devil on it :O I drink around three of these a day.... Am I evil? lol..... Or is it merley an image? We are the ones who can choose to or not to give power to an image... I choose not to.
 
well said my brother from another mother. well said. i couldn't agree with you more. man's symbols will eventually be forgotten. so why get our panties in a bunch over something like a symbol? we just shouldn't let it get to us.
 
The supernatural, Ouija boards included, can all be explained and is not unnatural in any way shape or form… these things may be beyond human understanding but that does not make them unexplainable… I've used Ouija boards and I swear that I wasn't moving the thing but somebody was or some entity was... An explanation for the movement does indeed exist but it may very well be beyond human understanding.

Entities that exist in and can comprehend the fourth dimension are like Gods to us 3rd dimensional beings, but I surmise that the 5th dimensional entities understand far more about existence than the 3rd and the 4th dimensional beings, add infinitum……. You get my point.

Humans are ignorant because we have limitations. No big deal there will always be mystery. So relax, enjoy being human, it is what and who you are at this moment… Don’t be fooled by those who claim to know more than they are capable of knowing.

Have faith that you are going to continue to exist simply because you do indeed exist. You may not remember this life after it is over or perhaps you will, you may not be human or even in this universe, but understand this, if a Ouija board scares you because you’re afraid that you may encounter demons…. then don’t touch it. you might.... However, I doubt that entities in other dimensions, 4th, 5th, 6th, 100th, etc… pay much attention to this universe and all of humanities delusions and imaginings anyway.

However let me state for the record that I find this universe, this dimension quite amazing and beautiful in my humble opinion.

The human conversation is ignorant of most of existence but that is the beauty of being human.

When humans understand the 4th dimension/heaven they will no longer be human.
~Bruno
 
very interesting post, bruno. thanks for that.

i didn't want to bring this up but i am going to anyways. many years ago, before i was married, a friend of mine and his sister were using an ouiji. his sister was very much into spiritism. maybe even witchcraft. the dark sort, if it exists. and i can assure you that she was not controlling this thing. for one, that friggin' arrow thing was moving waaaay too fast for her to know which letter to point to and two, she was looking at us and away. away because she looked tired and exausted for controlling the stupid thing. it was just the weirdest thing ever but it definately made me a believer. no joke.
 
I don't how, but the Ouija board works. The reader thing moves, seemingly of its own volition. I had a strange experience with one once which I've never been able to explain. I never played around with one after that.

Chris
 
that's it? no story? c'mon china cat. surely you can recount us with the interesting details about your strange experience. unless they were too personal then that is ok. but you can still send me a pm if you want? either way, i'm all eyes, my friend.
 
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