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:o Thanks 17th much sense in your advice (wow 17th had a sensible day).

Grey is going down the same lines we have been thinking, she has a strange lump on her head so we thought maybe brain damage. Because of this I let pity take over and I have tried to 'hug' her out of it, thinking the stroking might calm her down.

I shall start tomorrow and ignore her when she does it. I do hope she learns not to, she is such a sweetie pie and loves her hugs but someone will lose an eye eventually if we dont put a stop to it.

We have a big empty barn, I bet dad & I could knock up an agility course in a day. :) Maybe ball throwing just isn't enough stimulation for her?
 
Grey, 17th... Let's see if this works...The glorious feather picking bird, Jullius !

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flow....;)
 
SORRY! I completley didn't see that... NO lol... No is the answer ball throwing isn't enough for a working dog.... Seriously... lol... Make cones! Get it to weave in and out of cones in a line... Make platforms or something so it can jump... You seen show riding for horses right? That is what a working dog needs if it isn't working... Obstacle courses are awesome for working dogs to run out energy and to figure things out and learn new things... Try some of the basic IQ tests not to test intelligence just to give it games... Get loads of plastic cups or something and under one of them hide some snack... Let the dog seek it out... Or get it to understand by words... What an item is.... Ball Teddy Car Basket... Then take that toy and hide it upstairs or another room and make her find it... and return it. :)

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There you go Flow!!! Nice bird! :D
 
Hey 17th, it is working but I feel so guilty. When she jumped on the sofa today and started scratching I simply moved away and she got up and went for a sleep in her bed. I miss my hugs now and feel like a bully :p

We started clearing a barn today to make an agility course, will keep you posted. Thanks.


Flow what a lovely bird, very pretty face, is it changing feathers? Does he speak?
 
Hi MW...Yeah..Julius is definitely a cute girl. She was a foundling from a parking lot in L.A. My daughter rescued her about four years ago, and she decided I needed her company about a year and a half ago after she'd lived for a while where she works, and then at my daughter's place.

We think that she was turned out by someone who wanted to breed these beauties, Indonesian Moustache Parakeets, but she's kind of a runt size and they just got rid of her I guess. If you go out to buy one they run close to $1,000 US. She has some neurotic behaviors, common for hook bill birds, probably from mistreatment when she was young. So she picks the feathers on her breast and on the tops of her wings.

The bottom picture was taken in June after her new breast feathers came in, but the top picture is a month old or so. Almost impossible to break that habit once it has started. About all you can do is spray her down daily. That stops it somewhat.

She has a limited vocabulary, and doesn't seem to learn new stuff, but she says "OOOOOH", "Okay", and "It's true it sucks for you". Otherwise it's like having a obsessive compulsive three year old child around most of the time who jabbers a lot. She hates it when I go out the door and screams at me. Kinda like having a third wife.

I've been telling her to mind her ways better all day since now she's internationally known.

Here's a pic of one with normal plumage, except that it's a male with a red beak.

flow....:p

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flowperson said:
Julius is definitely a cute girl.
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Salaam Flow

Please send her my apologies for calling her a he :o

flowperson said:
She was a foundling from a parking lot in L.A. My daughter rescued her about four years ago, and she decided I needed her company about a year and a half ago after she'd lived for a while where she works, and then at my daughter's place.
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I have a feeling she is in the right place now. :)

flowperson said:
So she picks the feathers on her breast and on the tops of her wings.
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Oh my goodness, poor little thing. I don't want to teach you to suck eggs and I am sure you have read a gazillion articles about this problem but this looks very good:

Feather Plucking In Parrots

flowperson said:
Otherwise it's like having a obsessive compulsive three year old child around most of the time who jabbers a lot.
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My husband knows exactly how you feel. :D

flowperson said:
Here's a pic of one with normal plumage, except that it's a male with a red beak.
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Oh no Julius is much prettier, I always prefer the underdog.
 
flowperson said:
Hi MW...Yeah..Julius is definitely a cute girl. She was a foundling from a parking lot in L.A. My daughter rescued her about four years ago, and she decided I needed her company about a year and a half ago after she'd lived for a while where she works, and then at my daughter's place.

We think that she was turned out by someone who wanted to breed these beauties, Indonesian Moustache Parakeets, but she's kind of a runt size and they just got rid of her I guess. If you go out to buy one they run close to $1,000 US. She has some neurotic behaviors, common for hook bill birds, probably from mistreatment when she was young. So she picks the feathers on her breast and on the tops of her wings.

The bottom picture was taken in June after her new breast feathers came in, but the top picture is a month old or so. Almost impossible to break that habit once it has started. About all you can do is spray her down daily. That stops it somewhat.

She has a limited vocabulary, and doesn't seem to learn new stuff, but she says "OOOOOH", "Okay", and "It's true it sucks for you". Otherwise it's like having a obsessive compulsive three year old child around most of the time who jabbers a lot. She hates it when I go out the door and screams at me. Kinda like having a third wife.

I've been telling her to mind her ways better all day since now she's internationally known.

Here's a pic of one with normal plumage, except that it's a male with a red beak.

flow....:p

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Put her in the tub and wash her...trust me on this. Get in the tub with her and go very slow...she'll stop picking.

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Hi Q...Haven't heard that one. I'll try it and let you know what happens. It'll be a toughie since she doesn't like being touched at all. But bubble bath...maybe ?
Thanks buddy.
MW...Excellent article. There's a couple of things there I hadn't run across before. Worth a try or two. Thanks !

flow....;)
 
You are welcome Flow, I hope something works. When she is all better post another photo please.

NO not bubble bath, even the products that say no perfume have perfume in and it will irritate her (I bet u knew that :p).

Salaam
 
Muslimwoman said:
Hey 17th, it is working but I feel so guilty. When she jumped on the sofa today and started scratching I simply moved away and she got up and went for a sleep in her bed. I miss my hugs now and feel like a bully :p

We started clearing a barn today to make an agility course, will keep you posted. Thanks.


Flow what a lovely bird, very pretty face, is it changing feathers? Does he speak?
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Reet maid! :D

Ok couch is a total different situation.... You want her on the couch or not on the couch? It is either a yes or a no, it can't be a "I'm in a cuddly mood so, yes." "you went for a poop on the patio so, no!" They do not understand mood swings of the stupid human lol.... So has to be clear yes or no, never sometimes but other times no.

To teach her "no" When she comes to the lap SILENTLY stand up.... Then take a few strong confident steps forward, your body is then telling the dog to back up.

I know, discipline doesn't seem like love at all does it? That is why my dogs are chaos on four legs.... lol I love them too much and do not discipline them correctly... Indeed seems funny I am here telling someone else how to train a dog when I don't train mine correctly all the time... I think that comes down to choice... I love my dogs bouncing off the walls, wrestling with me and being cuddle monsters lol...
 
17th Angel said:
To teach her "no" When she comes to the lap SILENTLY stand up.... Then take a few strong confident steps forward, your body is then telling the dog to back up.
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Oh I like her to come on the couch but that is when she scratches my face. I don't want her to stop coming on the couch, just stop scratching and nipping my face.

17th Angel said:
lol I love them too much and do not discipline them correctly...
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Hey that's fine, I am giving you diet advice and I need to go on one :o

It is great being an expert but ignoring your own advice :D
 
Muslimwoman said:
Oh I like her to come on the couch but that is when she scratches my face. I don't want her to stop coming on the couch, just stop scratching and nipping my face.



Hey that's fine, I am giving you diet advice and I need to go on one :o

It is great being an expert but ignoring your own advice :D
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A friend of mine has a Jack Russel, pup (eight months). What a lovely dog, and brilliant personality and intelligence. But like all "little men" he has little man's syndrome (thinks he's more than he is). So, I scoop him up when he gets out of control and will not listen to commands, and he gets a "time out" in his kennel. For a Jack Russel, that is torcher, in the beginning. Then when he is calmed down, I'll take him out and go for a walk (to help rid the excess energy, but when we get in the house, it is training time. We don't want him jumping on people so he learns to jump in mid air. He does not jump on the couch, he comes to the couch and waits to be invited up (then he can leap on the couch).

He has taught me a couple of things as well (and I take heed of his needs). For example: He loves to be rubbed lightly (it definitely calms him down to the point of sleep), and will gently light on my fingers with his teeth, and pull my hand to his chest. He does it only with me, no one else, and there is a trust built between us on this (Jack Russels have long strong teeth, and muscular jaws).

It is a give and take, however the prima facia leader must be the human, and the canine must have that clear in his/her mind. I'm with 17th on this one.

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Julius wanted to show you how she spends a "quality time" saturday morning doing some much needed "condo" development activities. Never any rest for the" wicked" it seems.

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Hi Flow my sweet

She is such a beautiful girl, bless her. We need to help her though.

I emailed the bottom picture of Julius to a friend of my father, who is a rare bird breeder, and then called him.

He says the condition is called cage fever, caused by many hours of boredom in a small cage.

He wants to know the complete history. I said she was found in a carpark so age, history unknown. But can you tell us:

1. Was she like this when she was found (wholly or partially or not at all)?
2. When she was found where did she go and what conditions was she kept in? (ie for how long, was she allowed out of the cage, etc).
3. Since coming to you has she got better/worse or the same?

Daddy's friend said please can you bring her a big log, with the bark stuck firmly, if you have room in your house. Try to encourage her to rip bits of bark off instead of her feathers. Also swings and a log to climb on would help her entertain herself.

He also said vets are notoriously rubbish at birds, so we are going to try to contact the parrot section of London Zoo but you can also try to contact a zoo in the US with lots of birds. Send then a photo and a complete history including if this has become progressively worse.

One answer is to get a companion but she has gone so far down the road she may do it to another bird, so maybe wait until she starts to recover and then get a companion (a budgie would do just something to stimulate her).

Please kep us posted on progress and will let you know if I hear anything from the zoo.

Flow, as you will need to answer questions, perhaps you could call these people (they are in the UK but rescue parrots from all over europe or find the US equivalent). The National Parrot Sanctuary 0044 871 384 1130 they are happy to advise in such cases.

Salaam
 
Muslimwoman said:
Hi Flow my sweet

She is such a beautiful girl, bless her. We need to help her though.

I emailed the bottom picture of Julius to a friend of my father, who is a rare bird breeder, and then called him.

He says the condition is called cage fever, caused by many hours of boredom in a small cage.

He wants to know the complete history. I said she was found in a carpark so age, history unknown. But can you tell us:

1. Was she like this when she was found (wholly or partially or not at all)?
2. When she was found where did she go and what conditions was she kept in? (ie for how long, was she allowed out of the cage, etc).
3. Since coming to you has she got better/worse or the same?

Please keep us posted on progress and will let you know if I hear anything from the zoo.

Salaam
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Hi Sal: Thank you so much for your concern, but as you see she is happy here and has complete freedom to come and go from her large cage from sunup to sundown.

The answer to question 1. is that she was much worse. My daughter works at a celebrity-oriented flower shop in West L.A. as a floral designer. One day a delivery guy came into the shop and told my daughter about a strange looking "thing" spread out on the hood of a car in their lot. It was 100 or so that day, and she had picked herself down to her bare flesh on her breast and wings and was near death. It was obvious to them that Julius had been left there to die or to be discovered and rescued.

Question 2... My daughter took her to a vet for meds etc. He estimated that she was probably 2-4 years old and was likely kept as a "breeder". But as I said she is small for her breed and her owner probably just got rid of her in the most expedient manner for him/her. She was then kept in the shop in her cage until she started to get better and regrow her feathers. But of course there was constant traffic in and out of the shop each day, 7 days a week, and she never really had freedom from her cage or any private time until she was covered at night.
She started to pick herself again after a year or so of this and my daughter started to take her home on weekends to give her freedom from the hassle of living in a business environment. After a year of this she kept her at home and allowed her out of her cage at any time as I do. She kept her another year and then brought her to live here.
She's very sociable and a natural born acrobat. They are referred to as "monkey birds because of their agility and climbing abilities. She loves to imitate people who are sneezing or coughing. She will eat about anything that I'm eating in the way of veggies, fruit , or grain products. She loves mexican and italian food.

Question 3..It has gotten better and worse here over the last year and a half depending upon what time of the year it is. In the spring she goes into her sexual routines for a month or so and then starts her molt about may/june. After that she begins to regrow new feathers all over, but by the fall she's usually picked her breast and the top of her wings again as you see them now. Adding up the years she's probably 7 to 8 years old. Their estimated life span is 20-25 years.

As I said, she probably has some deeply imprinted insecurities from her early life and this is the result. However I will try the log suggestion and will look into her diet etc. We have two bird sanctuaries nearby, and a very large one in Arizona that specializes in rescuing Parrots. Thanks again for your concern and help.

Salaam....flow and Julius....:):)
 
flowperson said:
Hi Sal: Thank you so much for your concern, but as you see she is happy here and has complete freedom to come and go from her large cage from sunup to sundown.
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I am so sorry I wasn't suggesting she is unhappy, she looks very happy but obviously has 'issues' (typical woman).

Have a chat with the big rescue centre and see what they suggest, most of these places are more than happy to help out with info if it helps the bird.

It would just be so nice to see her in six months with full plummage and lots of rude words. :p Please keep us posted, my whole family wants to know how she gets on.

Salaam my friend
MW
 
I am thinking, re: the parrot... aww... maybe a mirror would help the bird... So she can see herself? I know it works with bored and lonely budgies, don't know if it would work for a parrot though... and some music they like, left on, if they will be alone a lot, no ppl about during the day, etc...

as for the dog- 17th is right- no point being inconsistent wih a dog- or any animal, for that matter- then they develop attachment issues and neuroses, and their behaviour gets worse... I am wondering why she paws and bites ur face, and I am thinking she does this to try and obtain nourishment from u, like they do from their mums when small? like, the dog needs reassurance?
 
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