JW's, Sccientologists, Moonies.. when does a cult become a religion?

Gobbeldygook.

Hide behind your quotes.. and avoid the facts...... JW's are part of a revelation cult founded for profit not prophet.
 
Gobbeldygook.

Hide behind your quotes.. and avoid the facts...... JW's are part of a revelation cult founded for profit not prophet.
there was a time when i also was misled to believe untruths, just as you are. but the truth has set me free , and it is very good indeed.

The whole purpose of the congregations of JW is to do what Jesus asked his followers to do, and that is in matthew 28-19-20 and now in this time we are living in ,GOODDNEWS is going on all over the world ,.bible prophecy is now well along and Gods kingdom is well established DANIEL 2;44 and the making known about that Kingdom and the fact that Jesus has recieved his kingship Daniel 7;13-14 , is putting people on notice for a witness to all the nations . its all happening especially in this time of the end .


And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14


Yes the whole purpose of the congregations all over the world is working in unity and peace, and it is getting the Lords work done .


Even under opposition.

its all happening and it is GOODNEWS :)

(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.


Yes ,HE CAUSES TO BECOME
 
ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey
 
ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey
Bruce Almighty was on last night...funny stuff.

In the end the doomsayer walking around with his sign said, "Armageddon outta here!" Love it, and then he morphed into G!d.

Great metaphor, we don't know where we are going to get our messages from.
 
ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey

End of the world lol.

It's like saying the earth is flat. You are sailing further and further away from land. Come on the sea has to end somewhere. Sooner or later we are going to fall of the edge of the earth!!! Ooops more sea. Hey what's that over there? It's more land!!! Guess what? We're home sweet home!!:)
 
ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago or was it 200 years ago ? Its ALWAYS the timeof the end. As long as we as humans continue to do ANYTHING wrong it will continue to be the END Of time????? blah blah.... thats what all the cults say. "JOIN NOW. LISTEN NOW. OR BE DOOMED. DOOOOOOOOMED. " Its great for you that you have something to hold on to . Im not singleing out JWs but they are for profit . Fair Dinkum.... so is the catholic church and that makes me sick. How can you be sooooo rich you have your own state (Vatican) and be the so called religion it is. Its a fantastic business and archive of priceless works but a huge contradiction to the plight of its fellow man. I could go on but im gettng off topic. Love the Grey


the time of the end STARTED in 1914 , this was the time that Jesus was given kingship in the heavenly kingdom goverment inline with bible prophecy and chronology , and now we are well along into the conclusion of the system of things Daniel 2;44 DANIEL 7;13-14


Yes 1914 was the start of the end, and soon ALL manmade rulerships in opposition to Gods kingdom and his reigning son Jesus christ ,will be put out of action. Gods heavenly kingdom was born in 1914 and it was set up in the heavens while manmade goverments and rulerships were still ruling . its all happening especially in the days since 1914 .

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44



As for the churches of christendom ,Jehovahs witnesses are no part of christendom .




we are into sticking to the bible and keeping ourselves awake to bible prophecy, and yes we are christians who are putting ourselves on the side of the most high.

“Trust in Jehovah, you people, for all times, for in Jah Jehovah is the Rock of times indefinite.”—ISAIAH 26:4.
 
oh yes, I recall the bible saying 1914 was the beginning of the end. NOT. There areAs many interpretations of the bible as there are interpreters. Im sorry, didnt Nostradamus predict things are dire yet so vague as well. You can cite stuff all you like about this but to me the bible is a reference book for things that have SOME relevence now but majorly directed towards the people of that time and era. You say you are sticking to the bible??????? Your version of the bible, maybe , the King James Bible??? nice so where exactly was this King James when the bible was written??? And why wasnt his version always the "right " one when everyone else had their other versions????? The last part of your Isaiah quote(see above) sounds alot like a Bob Marley song. But that cant be right cos Rastafarians cant be the same of JWs now , can they???? Peace Mon. Jahrule.
 
End of the world lol.

It's like saying the earth is flat. You are sailing further and further away from land. Come on the sea has to end somewhere. Sooner or later we are going to fall of the edge of the earth!!! Ooops more sea. Hey what's that over there? It's more land!!! Guess what? We're home sweet home!!:)


the bible speaks about the end of manmade goverments and rulerships ,not the end of the planet.



And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. IT WILL CRUSH AND PUT AN END TO ALL THESE KINGDOMSand it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44



The planet will aways be here, and as Jesus himself said in matthew 5;5 ,

Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. matthew 5;5

and as psalm 37 ;11 tells us then it will be PEACEFUL


But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. psalm 37;11
 
greymare;132197 didnt Nostradamus predict things are dire yet so vague as well.[/quote said:
many humans have done many things , but only the true God is a God of prophecy, and it always comes true .

the prophecies in the bible are prophecies from God .

Humans cannot foretell the future with any certainty. Time and again their efforts at prediction fail miserably. So a book of prophecies that did and is coming true has to attract our attention. The Bible is such a book.

there are predictions in the Bible that were fulfilled in times past . but NOW , in the time we live in especially since 1914,in our own day, and even in our future. The reliability of those ancient prophecies makes us confident that these other predictions will without fail come true.

The Bible contains hundreds of prophecies, many of which have already been fulfilled.


Bible prophecies do not deal only with the ancient past. They also accurately foretell events that are taking place in our day .
 
greymare;132197The last part of your Isaiah quote(see above) sounds alot like a Bob Marley song. But that cant be right cos Rastafarians cant be the same of JWs now said:
Jah, is a shortened form of the name of the true God .Jehovah being Gods name as psalm 83;18 tells us.

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18

(Isaiah 42:8) “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.


(Psalm 68:4) Sing YOU to God, make melody to his name; Raise up [a song] to the One riding through the desert plains As Jah, which is his name; and jubilate before him;


THE SHORTER FORM OF THE DIVINE NAME

The shorter form of the divine name occurs 50 times in the Masoretic text as Yah, rendered “Jah.” Following is a list of its occurrences: Ex 15:2; 17:16; Ps 68:4, 18; 77:11; 89:8; 94:7, 12; 102:18; 104:35; 105:45; 106:1, 48; 111:1; 112:1; 113:1, 9; 115:17, 18, 18; 116:19; 117:2; 118:5, 5, 14, 17, 18, 19; 122:4; 130:3; 135:1, 3, 4, 21; 146:1, 10; 147:1, 20; 148:1, 14; 149:1, 9; 150:1, 6, 6; Ca 8:6; Isa 12:2; 26:4; 38:11, 11.
 
But that cant be right cos Rastafarians cant be the same of JWs now , can they???? Peace Mon. Jahrule.
they can if they start off doing this ,

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. John 17;3


taking in knowledge about the true God Jehovah and his son Jesus christ is the start of wisdom , and many from all different religions have done just that, and then they end up being part of a GREATCROWD from all nations , and here they are spoken of in REVELATION 7;9-10 .

AND GUESS WHAT many were former rasters,:) but now they are welcoming the newly enthroned king that JAH,JEHOVAH has given great aurthority too.Daniel 7;13-14
 
ah.... so NOW is the time of the end.?. I thought that was 20years ago>?> or wasnt it 50 years ago


correct, and correct.

ever since 1914 we have been living in the time of the end .



and it is being made known on a global scale.


And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14



(Revelation 16:16) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged′on.



(Revelation 19:19) And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army.
 
soory mee, but people swap religions and "find" god invarious aspects to changes in their life ALL the time. rivers of bablylon......boney M. and yes..... alll through time man has said that it is the end of days. and yes they have referenced the bible for this. All the weirdo cults use the bibile as refernce to back themselves up so it doesnt help quoteing it for my benefit. and another thing.... yes i have read the bible alot....... in my younger days. Quoteing doesnt impress me. revelations is truly a difficult to read and understand book. Sounds to me like someone was smoking something when it was scribed. This is not a "low blow" but an honest obsservation. How do you know that its text wasnt altered by weed/daytura etc and the "visions" were halucinations??????
 
How do you know that its text wasnt altered by weed/daytura etc and the "visions" were halucinations??????


because it comes true .

Here is some info on the significance of the 1914 date .
taken from the book ...WHAT DOES THE BIBLE REALLY TEACH


1914—A Significant Year in Bible Prophecy

DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?

As recorded at Luke 21:24, Jesus said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations [“the times of the Gentiles,” King James Version] are fulfilled.” Jerusalem had been the capital city of the Jewish nation—the seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of King David. (Psalm 48:1, 2) However, these kings were unique among national leaders. They sat on “Jehovah’s throne” as representatives of God himself. (1 Chronicles 29:23) Jerusalem was thus a symbol of Jehovah’s rulership.

How and when, though, did God’s rulership begin to be “trampled on by the nations”? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. “Jehovah’s throne” became vacant, and the line of kings who descended from David was interrupted. (2 Kings 25:1-26) Would this ‘trampling’ go on forever? No, for the prophecy of Ezekiel said regarding Jerusalem’s last king, Zedekiah: “Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.” (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) The one who has “the legal right” to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) So the ‘trampling’ would end when Jesus became King.

When would that grand event occur? Jesus showed that the Gentiles would rule for a fixed period of time. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: “Let seven times pass over it.”—Daniel 4:10-16.

In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how God’s rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ would be temporary—a period of “seven times.” How long a period is that?

Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal “a thousand two hundred and sixty days.” “Seven times” would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop ‘trampling’ on God’s rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalem’s fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of “a day for a year,” the “seven times” would cover 2,520 years.

The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King.—Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.

Just as Jesus predicted, his “presence” as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of “the last days” of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.


From October 607 B.C.E. to October 1 B.C.E. is 606 years. Since there is no zero year, from October 1 B.C.E. to October 1914 C.E. is 1,914 years. By adding 606 years and 1,914 years, we get 2,520 years.

For information on Jerusalem’s fall in 607 B.C.E.,

see the article “Chronology” in Insight on the Scriptures, published by Jehovah’s Witnesses.
 
is that all you got mee?????
plenty more where that came from;)


matthew 24;45-47

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

Taste and see that Jehovah is good, O YOU people;
Happy is the able-bodied man that takes refuge in him.

psalm34 ;8


i am lapping up lots of good spiritual food from the channel Jesus is feeding ,and it is all from the most high


. and it is a shame to keep it all to myself , so i am giving it out and sharing it .
 
You can cite stuff all you like about this but to me the bible is a reference book for things that have SOME relevence now but majorly directed towards the people of that time and era.Peace Mon. Jahrule.


And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”DANIEL 12;4

(Daniel 12:9) And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end.


Its all happening we are right now in the time of the end .

make no mistake about it, the bible is not a dead book just for times past, it is alive ,and the prophecies which were written down years ago are NOW being fullfilled . and there are even future prophecies yet to be fullfilled.

we are living in THRILLING TIMES INDEED:)

(Daniel 8:26) “And the thing seen concerning the evening and the morning, which has been said, it is true. And you, for your part, keep secret the vision, because it is yet for many days.”


“You may be quite sure that in the last days there are going to be some difficult times.”—2 Tim. 3:1, “The Jerusalem Bible.”



Aside from identifying certain world developments, the Bible foretold that the last days would be marked by a change in human society. The apostle Paul described what people in general would be like. At 2 Timothy 3:1-5, we read: “In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.” In part, Paul said that people would be

▪ lovers of themselves

▪ lovers of money

▪ disobedient to parents

▪ disloyal

▪ having no natural affection

▪ without self-control

▪ fierce

▪ lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God

▪ having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power

Have people become like that in your community? No doubt they have. There are people everywhere who have bad traits. This shows that God will soon act, for the Bible says: “When the wicked ones sprout as the vegetation and all the practicers of what is hurtful blossom forth, it is that they may be annihilated forever.”—Psalm 92:7.


learning Gods ways leads to everlasting life so now is the time to seek Jehovah and seek meekness

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ... john 17;3



Before [the] statute gives birth to [anything], [before the] day has passed by just like chaff, before there comes upon YOU people the burning anger of Jehovah, before there comes upon YOU the day of Jehovah’s anger, seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger. ...zephaniah 2;2-3



thats what a GREAT CROWD from all nations have been doing and they are the ones that will get through the GREAT TRIBULATION revelation 7;9-10

REVELATION 7;14
 
sorry, tried to post but pressed wrong button.
1. quotes havelittle meaning for me as they have often been misused to prove anything at all.
2. trampling of jerusalem????? seven times????? so from what yu are saying Jerusalem was attacked and the seven times thing adds up mathematically to 1914?????? I am pleased to hear that you have mathematically worked out to an exact date when we are to take this from. Interesting. If this is the case there are a few questions Id like to have answered????
a/ so all the crap that happened in history before 1914 was ....what exactly? incidental>? not important?
b/ do you think that people didnt have those faults that you listed above before 1914?

actually I have a few points but probably not really appropriate for this thread?


COULD IT BE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GOOD AND EVIL ITS JUST THAT NOW THERE IS MILLIONS MORE PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET AND MODERN TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE THE WORLD A SMALLER PLACE THAT WE SEE IT MORE.

revelations that you quoted above could be used for any time in history. as well as the natural disasters that you reckon is your back up. fair dinkum think clearly man.
here is a question for you....... moses and the ark... is it real or not. I mean animals 2by 2 and the rest wiped out. or do you have another version?
 
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