greymare
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I rather like that observation, brucey. (who is hobson?)
Hobson's choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaI rather like that observation, brucey. (who is hobson?)
not being disrespectful, but why is it only wine mentioned? never anything else. wasnt other alcohol around in those days??/ im curious. (Obviously not cocktails and liquers but you get my drift) I am asking a serious question by the way.
not being disrespectful, but why is it only wine mentioned? never anything else. wasnt other alcohol around in those days??/ im curious. (Obviously not cocktails and liquers but you get my drift) I am asking a serious question by the way.
Mate.. Always have this issue with JW's.... If you are going to say it is WRONG to smoke cigarettes.. Or smoke a joint, hit a pipe, take a shot to the arm... whatever... Then it is wrong to sip your precious lil wine....
The argument I always get from JW's is... It's ok to drink if you drink to a certain limit and control yourself... bs. If that is the case then all I mentioned before hand is then valid if certain limits and self control are in place..... They are all damaging.... And they can all mess with your head.... So if you can have "just a lil whine' I can have just a few smokes.... How am I wrong and you right? That is just hypocritical lol....![]()
Smoking tobacco, while reportedly pleasurable, actually involves inhaling concentrated pollutants into the lungs. A smoker pollutes his body, as well as his clothes and the air around him. In addition, smoking is an addiction.Far be it from me to defend the JW's, but they do not have a lock on moderation...
Alcohol and cigareretes are LEGAL. The bible says a whole lot about the law.
And he said to me, 'Behold, you shall conceive and bear a son; and now do not drink wine and strong drink, and do not eat any unclean (thing), for a nazirite to God shall the lad be, from the womb until the day of his death.'
Luke the Evangelist clearly was aware that wine was forbidden in ascetic practice, for the angel Luke 1:13-15 that announces the birth of John the Baptist foretells that "he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb", in other words, a nazirite from birth, the implication being that John had taken a lifelong nazirite vow.[23]
People who say the Bible says they can drink are talking through their wrong end.
In Christ,
Br.Bruce
If we follow the Bible principle about staying clean from defilements of the flesh, we will be protected from the serious health hazards of smoking, as well as drugs and other defilements.
Hearkening back to the revelation to Peter featuring the descending and ascending blanket with unclean beasts, God's invitation to Peter to "Eat", and God's stern "there is no thing unclean of itself", (see Acts 10, 11) We are in no position to condemn any of God's creation. However, we are required to be mindful of our role as ambassadors of God in a strange land, and as such we are to avoid confusing our neighbors with mixed messages which they, in the infancy of their knowledge of God, might not understand. To put this practically, when you are in the company of those who see Christianity and alcohol use (or whatever) as mutually exclusive, refrain from drink so as not to create a crisis for them. If for you it is a sin, then it is. If for you it is not a sin, then it is not; but shame on you if you partake of this liberty and cost another their chance to know God!Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
But meat commendeth us not to God; for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to them that are weak.
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him that is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
and through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1 Corinthians 8:7-11
sorry i am a bit thick i am not with youSqueaky clean on the other side is absolutely true, but I was referring to prison. (...although that is where some hit bottom and re-bound...)
If wine (or whatever) becomes your God, then you are in trouble.
yes, the yeast on grape skins ferment so it becomes wine naturally , and Jesus drank it .By the way, the first time grape juice could be stored without becoming wine all by itself was at the beginning of the 20th century, when a Baptist preacher named Welch (!) pasteurized grape juice so it would keep for communion use. In biblical times, the health hazards of wine were far less than the health hazards of water!
sorry i am a bit thick i am not with you![]()
or they could even be reading their bibles
The Bible mentions the pleasures and benefits of drinking moderately. For instance, Psalm 104:15 states that one of God’s gifts is “wine that makes the heart of mortal man rejoice.” And the reward for doing good works, says Ecclesiastes 9:7, is to “eat your food with rejoicing and drink your wine with a good heart.”
but many people make up manmade rules not based on accurate bible knowledge .
People hear what they want to hear Mee- according to their addictions.
Prescription drugs, ecstasy and marijuana "makes the heart of mortal man rejoice". That's why folk do it in the first place- they want a high.
Those who are "holy unto the lord" make an effort to set an example in purity. The Apostle Paul did not drink alcohol for that very reason.
I understand when my brothers and sisters fall into drug and alcohol use, for the flesh is weak. But it would be remiss of me not to remind them of the correct behavior for a Christian. We abstain because it is right to abstain.
And yes, there was no alcoholic wine at the Last Supper.
In Christ,
Br.Bruce