The Devil or Lucifer

...And if you still don't understand.

Why is the word sword used to describe the word of god which saves? That I do not understand...

here's your answer because...

...it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

Also why did they die? If it was only words?

Did they die?

The Whole Bible is not to be taken literally

Obviously... :rolleyes:


Especially the Book of Revelation...

"...and he sent and SIGNIFIED it by his angel unto his servant John" (Rev. 1:1)

What does it mean to "signify?" Certainly this prophecy of the revelation or unveiling of Christ was written down (ver. 19), but it means more than just that. To "signify" has to do with signs and symbols. From my Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary p. 1541, first definition of signify:

"to make known by signs or words".

 
OH f...for goodness sake lol......

I said I don't freaking understand! I then said;

As you said:

Originally Posted by Azure24
[21]The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse...


So the words which was a sword that came from Jesus (Saws) saves because it is the word of god....... But here some guy on a horse killed some people with his words..... Yet they are exactly the same how they are described? So are they translated from Hebrew correctly? Meaning that the two are described as the same thing, MEANING I am confused how it can kill and save. That was what I was attempting to explain....
 
OH f...for goodness sake lol......

I said I don't freaking understand! I then said;

As you said:

Originally Posted by Azure24
[21]The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse...


So the words which was a sword that came from Jesus (Saws) saves because it is the word of god....... But here some guy on a horse killed some people with his words..... Yet they are exactly the same how they are described? So are they translated from Hebrew correctly? Meaning that the two are described as the same thing, MEANING I am confused how it can kill and save. That was what I was attempting to explain....




Here, 17th, is the larger context of the scripture:
Matt 10
Christ Brings Division


34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
A Cup of Cold Water


40 “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me. 41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward. And he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward. 42 And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple, assuredly, I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward.”




Family members will be divided over the two-edged sword that cuts both ways that is the Word of God. What did Jesus say about how to treat your enemies?
Luke 6
27 “But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. 31 And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
32 “But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.



The best lesson we can learn from the sword is mercy, especially from a sword that cuts both ways. The same bible that we use to condemn others can be used against our selves when we violate its principles. As it says in the book of James, chapter 2:
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
 
The other action of using the two-edged sword is what we call on another board "liberation through mutual exorcism." In order for this to work, it requires mutual respect and compassion. Like any exorcism, it can get rather ugly. However, it can be quite useful for those who have the humility required to appreciate the benefits, and the self-control to not lose their mind and become destructively radical in the process.
 
Where do Christians get their devil from? If Jews have a devil, where do they get their's from?
Same place; created.

I have heard that the Satan in the garden is not lucifer Like Saint Augustine or Paul interpreted it to be. Satan in the Garden was just an adversary.
It was a story.

So, where do Christians get there devil from? Does Judaism have one? Where does it come from?
Came from lack of knowledge or understanding of personal faults.

There is no devil. Each and every perception of choice offers a setting to recognize that thing isolated from existence; the self.

That is your devil. Always has been!

Each is just as capable of being evil as the next. Follow the rules of existence and never know the beast.

Good: supports life.

Bad: loss to the common.

The human experience of sentience is the only form capable of being a 'loss to the common.'

Funny how the truth sets each free of the bonds of ignorance.

Simply hold yourself responsible to each action taken and even if imposed upon, learn the lesson as to hate is a selfishly imposed idea.

For example; ignorance allows the the devil existence as each can become isolated based on misunderstandings of the truth.

A separate thing of existence, represented as an isolated for causing ill regard, know as the devil or satan, does not exist.

;)
 
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