There is no such thing as 'Free Will'

[Gatekeeper]

Re: Desire

Consequences are meaningless and worthless if there is no ability to choose different acts on the basis of different consequences.

We choose based on our desires. What do you desire most?

If there is no free will, we are not able to change. We are only "able" to be puppets and pointless playthings.

Evil motivates change, just as good motivates change. When we desire good more than evil we will change.

If there is no free will, we are incapable of submitting, regardless of pride.

We choose according to our desires. If we come to the point where we have tasted enough evil, we will then desire to submit to God because we know that God is good, and that good things are pleasant.

Of there is no free will, there is no need to understand any need for salvation, since it is impossible to choose salvation.

We choose according to our desires. Once we desire to submit to God (Good), we will choose Him above evil (Devil).

If there is no free will, it is not possible to learn. There is only the illusion of learning, but there is no actual learning.

Not true, we learn from our mistakes, and likewise we learn from our victories.

If there is no free will, change is impossible. All is predetermined. All outcomes are predetermined. There are no choices, all is predetermined if there is no free will.

Not true, change is made possible because of the two opposing forces that shape our desires (Good and evil).

Now you contradict yourself. First you say there is no free will, now you say there is. Which is it, yes or no, no obfuscation.

We are able to freely choose what we desire most. There is no contradiction. It just so happens that our desires are subject to life circumstance.

Does free will exist or not?

Think about it (Thoroughly) and decide for yourself.

Only an idiot would claim that any constraint at all means that free will absolutely does not exist. If free will does not exist, then you can choose NOTHING--all choices are made for you.

No, we make our choices based on desire. If we desire the things of God, we will choose them. If we do not, we won't. Life itself helps us change our desires, so we might one day desire God (Good) above the Devil (Evil).

If free will does not exist, then God could have very well intentionally created you merely to intentionally damn you. If free will does not exist, then God is the most evil of all beings.

You are missing the big picture because you have been conditioned to believe that God would eternally damn us to a literal hell. Hell might be said to be life on earth before submission to God (Who is love).

GK

 

[shawn]

Why are you still around, then? I would say that you are a hypocrite (fortunately) and do not believe your own extremist rhetoric. Were the world and humanity as hopeless as you posit, the only rational recourse would be to take yourself out of the picture, thus to undergo less suffering.

I will wager that you don't believe what you claim to be the way the world works. You just enjoy making the posture.

I have very bad news for you: The world and humanity are not nearly as bad as you like to pretend they are.

Aren't you the mindless mutt.
Dog brain as opposed to god brain.
You do live up to you nickname.

 

[donnann]

'Free will' is a myth, God is reposible for everything and He brings about everything only at its precise "appointed seaon and time".

Ecclesiastes 3

A Time for Everything
1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven

Ecclesiastes 8:6 (New International Version)

6 For there is a proper time and procedure for every matter,
though a man's misery weighs heavily upon him.

Ecclesiastes 3:17 (New International Version)

17 I thought in my heart,
"God will bring to judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time for every deed."

The nature and function of a living being is that it possesses free will. Now can others force or impose their will on you.....yes.....but it still isnt your will.

 

[seattlegal]

The nature and function of a living being is that it possesses free will. Now can others force or impose their will on you.....yes.....but it still isnt your will.

You're trying to wake rodger up?