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[Muslimwoman]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Yes.

Erm which one??

Here is the most simple answre..... "Yes"... To keep is simple but with slightly more explination look at Gen 9:...4? lol.... This is even before Peter, this is the MAIN guidelines for Adam and Eve.... And should be for all mankind....

Is Gen 9:4 not talking about allowing the soul (carried in the blood?) to leave the body before eating the flesh? Let's be honest, even after bleeding an animal there is still blood in the flesh, so as Neemai said, shouldn't all followers of the Bible be vegetarian, as it is impossible to remove all blood from flesh?

So we have the "soul" but I also think we have the other value of blood... Ask yourself "What did Jesus apprently give for our freedom?" His...... ? B _ _ _ _.

Ok, so G-d created humans and all other creatures, He gave us all blood. So why is it ok for JW's and Christians to eat flesh if it still contains blood? If blood is so sacred, as Jesus (pbuh) gave his to save mankind, why is it only sacred in some scenario's? Sorry but it sounds a bit hypocritical to say I can eat a rare steak but can't save my child's life because blood is sacred.

 

[17th Angel]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Erm which one??

Yes...

Is Gen 9:4 not talking about allowing the soul (carried in the blood?) to leave the body before eating the flesh? Let's be honest, even after bleeding an animal there is still blood in the flesh, so as Neemai said, shouldn't all followers of the Bible be vegetarian, as it is impossible to remove all blood from flesh?

Hey, don't shoot the messenger I don't believe in all of this lol, I am just giving you the JW reasons.... True perhaps all the followrs of the bible should be vegetarian.... Afterall you do not benefit what so ever from eating meat... We are not meat eaters by nature.... Our stupidty and belief we are the best/dominant animal reinforces this -want- (not need) to consume flesh.

If these creatures have a soul, which the bible DOES say they have.... And we already KNOW they are living creatures.. Just like us... And one of the commandments of god is NOT to kill.. Why are the animals excluded from that? Surley their lives are just as important as ours.... Oh I forgot.. Our over swelled brain cells tell us, we are far more important....

Ok, so G-d created humans and all other creatures, He gave us all blood. So why is it ok for JW's and Christians to eat flesh if it still contains blood? If blood is so sacred, as Jesus (pbuh) gave his to save mankind, why is it only sacred in some scenario's? Sorry but it sounds a bit hypocritical to say I can eat a rare steak but can't save my child's life because blood is sacred.

Again, I know! lol... There is tons of toot in the bible that is hypocritical... But, why break the habit of a life time?

 

[DannyHaszard]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs and who are they?

The Watchtower is big money, being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year. That's just from one of their many corporations.


Unlike in the case of Christians who are persecuted in other lands for talking about Jesus Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses are largely persecuted for following the teachings begun during the second presidency of the Watchtower, when Joseph F. Rutherford took over in a corporate flap and began changing doctrines quickly in the Watchtower belief system. He claimed that angels directly conveyed truth to some of those in leadership. He coined the name Jehovah's Witnesses to make them stand out from being witnesses of Jesus, a typical evangelical expression (and a Biblical one).

Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ, and invented an earthly class of Witnesses, since only 144,000 can go to heaven in their teaching. The rest, meaning all 99.9% of Witnesses still alive, will live forever on a cleansed earth, under the rule of the Watchtower leaders in heaven, who will keep them in line by local elders known as 'Princes'.

If you have been witnessed to by Jehovah's Witnesses and you reject their message, you will likely die shortly at Armageddon with all the other non-Witnesses, since theirs is the only true religion, and (if they can live up to all the rules) they are the only ones to inhabit this new earth. If you believe Witnesses seem rigid now, any non-conformist during the future cleansed earth will be directly destroyed by Jehovah. Even now a Witness will be disfellowshipped for any one of many gaffs, such as smoking, taking a blood transfusion, or even voting.

To even vocally question the teachings of the Watchtower will result in complete cutting off, with family and friends usually being forbidden to talk to them. The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world.

By their own Yearbook accounts, Witnesses are shrinking in number in many Western countries as of the last three years, as the internet facilitates the spread of information (much of it critical of the Witnesses). Witnesses are cautioned against creating JW-related websites, largely to prevent their members from discovering the history and dirty laundry of this organization on other websites. (There are literally hundreds of former members pages in many languages.)

The Watchtower strives hard to control the flow of information to the individual Witness, and prefers that all instruction come through the magazines they carry door-to-door. Without this form of control, even as they themselves admit, they would believe just the same as other Bible believers.

My hope is that there will be a day in each of their lives when the Watchtower magazine is no longer needed, and they can go to college, vote for office, and contribute money and time to other, more vital causes in their community. More than likely they will then cease to be persecuted, except in a few societies more authoritarian than their own.

Sincerely,Danny Haszard

References:

http://www.freeminds.org (Watchtower watchers dissident site)

http://www.silentlambs.org (latest news on the pedophile child abuse lawsuits against the Watchtower)

 

[Muslimwoman]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Thank you 17th, am off to rewrite the theory of relativity

By the way, your new avatar is giving me headache and your hampster has had too many carrots, it's gone hyper.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

"Not to kill, and to abstain from blood."

Wouldn't a Vegetarian diet be just as applicable to the above statments?

Why avoid blood transfusions, but then kill and eat animals whose meat contains blood?

...?

Neemai

because the bible says we can eat meat , but first it should be bled not just strangled.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

If these creatures have a soul, which the bible DOES say they have.... quote]
the bible teaches that they are a soul ,not that they possess a soul , many people have been misled by the unbiblical teaching of the IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL

 

[Pico]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

the bible teaches that they are a soul ,not that they possess a soul , many people have been misled by the unbiblical teaching of the IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL

Ok, you lost me now. Where does the bible say that?

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

The Watchtower Society has officially notified its members (see diagram from 6-15-04 Watchtower) that they may now use hemoglobin (red cells without the membrane) - the largest of all blood components which transports oxygen throughout the body.

seems more like jw's stick to the watchtower's word, and they take the watchtower as authority, doesnt it? scary to think they you will totally believe everything they say.

LOL it seems that you are really taking things out of context ,and have not read the article as i have, this is what the same watchtower says .....
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not accept blood. We firmly believe that God’s law on blood is not open to reform to fit shifting opinions. ...... so,thank you for bringing that watchtower mag up it has a really good article in it , from a question from readers of the mag ,on page 29 . Its good to know that the channel Jesus is directing always stick to the bible as its aurthority .... nice

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Ok, you lost me now. Where does the bible say that?

Where does the bible teach the IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL .?
And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul Genesis 2;7 .......... Adam does not possess a soul, he is a soul . The soul is not some immaterial entity that lives on after death .The bible states that the soul that is sinning -it itself will die .Ezekiel 18;4
Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10.
yes, the soul dies when the person dies, it is not immortal . one meaning of the word soul is ....life.... clearly the bible shows what man is , he does not have a soul ,he is a soul .Any hope for future life for the dead depends on a resurrection, a raising up.as John 5;28-29 tells us .The sure promise of the resurrection-not the immortality of the soul-is the basic hope for the dead .
So when did the idea of inherent human immortality come into Jewish thinking and belief? The Encyclopaedia Judaica admits that "it was probably under Greek influence that the doctrine of the immortality of the soul came into Judaism." Nevertheless, devout Jews up until the time of Christ still believed in and looked forward to a future resurrection. We can see this clearly from Jesus’ conversation with Martha at the death of her brother Lazarus: "Martha therefore said to Jesus: ‘Lord, if you had been here my brother would not have died.’ . . . Jesus said to her: ‘Your brother will rise.’ Martha said to him: ‘I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.’"—John 11:21-24.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

The Watchtower Society has officially notified its members quote]
lol .. sorry that is your words , it seems you are wrong yet again , here is what i read in the watchtower that you quoted.
when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each Christian, after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself............ thats more like it .....nice .....

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

The Watchtower Society has officially notified its members

lol .. sorry that is your words , it seems you are wrong yet again , here is what i read in the watchtower that you quoted.
when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each Christian, after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself............ thats more like it .....nice .....

the watchtower society has notified you that you may conscientiously decide if you wish to used fractions. see article...lol!!!

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

seems more like jw's stick to the watchtower's word, and they take the watchtower as authority,quote]
wrong again as the same article quoted ,
What a blessing for a Christian to have such confidence as the psalmist who wrote: "Jehovah God is a sun and a shield; favor and glory are what he gives. Jehovah himself will not hold back anything good from those walking in faultlessness. O Jehovah . . . , happy is the man that is trusting in you"!—Psalm 84:11, 12.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

the watchtower society has notified you that you may conscientiously decide if you wish to used fractions. see article...lol!!!

its good to know that Jesus has a channel that sticks to the bible ,and listening to the voice of that channel will never lead to dissapointment matthew 24;45-47 but some are to proud to listen to the channel that Jesus is directing . Gods word the bible is infamable , but all humans are not , so listening to the voice of good direction from Jesus is the way to go . yes the watchtower is a good name for a good mag ,that is farsighted indeed, and leads us in the right way. bring it on i say , its just what we need in this darkened world with no clear direction at all . its good to know that i have found the channel that is being used by the Almighty. and it is very good indeed ............... nice . and what is even better is that everything is bible based ,and the channel sticks to Gods word the bible AT LAST. so,we are now well along into bible prophecy and those who are willing to listen to the channel that Jesus is using will go on to recieve even more blessings . thrilling times indeed , yes Jesus certainly is a reigning king . and soon all of the ones in opposition will be gone and then Gods kingdom can rule without any opposition . great promises are ahead for those who are on the right wavelength . thrilling times indeed .

 

[17th Angel]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

If these creatures have a soul, which the bible DOES say they have.... quote]
the bible teaches that they are a soul ,not that they possess a soul , many people have been misled by the unbiblical teaching of the IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL

So if YOU are a soul...... and YOUR blood has a soul.... What's going on? lol...

I am sure you will bring up S.O.S.... So when in distress you asked for someone to save your blood?

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

its good to know that Jesus has a channel that sticks to the bible ,and listening to the voice of that channel will never lead to dissapointment

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. God speaks to us through his Son and the Spirit of Christ reveals truth and works thru the church bringing many together in fellowship of Jesus Christ--not an anonymous group of writers dictating thought through a magazine of a religion which has lead to many disappointments and fallacies.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

the watchtower society has notified you that you may conscientiously decide if you wish to used fractions. see article...lol!!!

the world changes , but Gods laws always stand, and those who are faithful to God have great blessings indeed . matthew 24;45-47 its good to know that the Almighty Jehovah has everything in hand . and that the mountain of Jehovah has many ones going up to it . yes we are now well along into bible prophecy and many are walking in Jehovahs ways . its all happening
And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. And many peoples will certainly go and say: "Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.ISAIAH 2;2-4
Yes, not only are Gods people not learning war anymore ,but they are being instructed in many of Jehovahs ways . its all happening , and they do not keep it to their selves they give it out to others , but many are in opposition to the ways of the Almighty.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. God speaks to us through his Son and the Spirit of Christ reveals truth and works thru the church bringing many together in fellowship of Jesus Christ--not an anonymous group of writers dictating thought through a magazine of a religion which has lead to many disappointments and fallacies.

yes as you say Jesus works through the true church , and they are the faithful ones matthew 24;45-47 and yes it brings many togeather from all nations revelation 7;9-10 and its all happening in these the last days .... nice and its good to know that the instruction they recieve is all bible based with no manmade traditions in sight.......... faithfulness leads to great blessings and a GREAT CROWD and they are all taught by the most high .
"They will all be taught by Jehovah."—JOHN 6:45.

Jehovah used his earthly Representative, Jesus Christ, to carry out divine teaching during the first century. (John 16:27, 28) Jesus constantly pointed to God’s Word as the authority for his teaching, setting the example for those whom he taught. (Matthew 4:4, 7, 10; 21:13; 26:24, 31) Afterward, Jehovah’s teaching was carried on in the earth by means of the ministry of such taught ones. Recall that Jesus commanded them: "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, . . . teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:19, 20) When disciples were made, these became part of "God’s household, . . . the congregation of the living God." (1 Timothy 3:15) They were also formed into individual congregations in which they were taught by Jehovah. (Acts 14:23; 15:41; 16:5; 1 Corinthians 11:16) Has divine teaching in that way continued down till our day?​

Indeed, it has!
(Matthew 24:14, 45-47) its all happening .

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

yes as you say Jesus works through the true church , and they are the faithful ones matthew 24;45-47 and yes it brings many togeather from all nations revelation

well personally i dont consider any church that distances themselves from mainstream christianity any type of channel, or who purposely change words used in speaking about the bible so it differs from mainstream christianity, or who change the scriptures of the bible from mainstream Christianity to fit their central voice that dictates their thoughts, and anyone who reads the bible on their own, and has a different idea of god is disfellowshipped. its more about bringing together groups of people to worship our lord jesus christ under the umbrella of Christianity and in brotherhood and fellowship of the spirit, not side-step the Christian church, jesus christ, the holy spirit. Rather you point to the watchtower for instruction, the kingdom hall to distance oneself from the christian chruch and make self-proclamations of being a channel directly to god the father himself, rather than thru jesus christ, who is the only one between us and the father.

 

[Muslimwoman]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

the bible teaches that they are a soul ,not that they possess a soul , many people have been misled by the unbiblical teaching of the IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL

Sorry but I thought people said previously that the soul is carried in the blood, which is why people should not take blood? Does the Bible, in your opinion, diferentiate between human blood and animal blood?

 

[Pico]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

the bible teaches that they are a soul ,not that they possess a soul , many people have been misled by the unbiblical teaching of the IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL

So you say the soul can die, since it is not immortal. What do you consider death as? Do you see death as the end of our consciousness, thought, and perceiving? As if we just cease to exist? If such were true then why did Jesus say some will be banished to where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, or that a person will go on to ever lasting life?

Or do you mean that death is the absence of the living God (where all life comes from)? If that's what you mean you are probably referring to Hell, which is cut off from God (the giver of all life), and is sometimes referred to in the Bible as "death."