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I'll try to work something up tomorrow, Juan. I have a tiny germ of an idea but I'm too tired to do anything about it right now.
Chris
Chris
This is a strawman argument ... it really doesn't stand.
More to the point ... Jesus doesn't stand for it either, not for one instant:
"Judge not, that you may not be judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Matthew 7:1-5
So…Ecclesiastes 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?
Ecclesiastes 7:17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
Ecclesiastes 7:18 It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this; yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all.
Ecclesiastes 7:19 Wisdom strengtheneth the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
The difference is, everyone looks for what's wrong. I know what's wrong. I work for what's right.
Ecclesiastes 10:1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so doth a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honour.
Are we *not* to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves?I want His light to be visible in the world, and His truth, and His way, and His life ...
Accentuate the positive, as the saying goes, and walking away is an admission of failure ...
Psalms 5:8 Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face.
Psalms 5:9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.
Psalms 5:10 Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.
Psalms 5:11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.
Psalms 5:12 For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield.
Ecclesiastes 12:11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
Ecclesiastes 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Indeed:The truth can sometimes be hard to accept.
But the Truth matters.
Institutions do not get to be institutions by being poor.Ecclesiastes 9:14 There was a little city, and few men within it; and there came a great king against it, and besieged it, and built great bulwarks against it:
Ecclesiastes 9:15 Now there was found in it a poor wise man, and he by his wisdom delivered the city; yet no man remembered that same poor man.
Ecclesiastes 9:16 Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard.
I see this otherwise ... A person who sees the wrong in themselves and then moves with rightful intention to make amends is a continuous absolvement and living proof.
I see this otherwise Thomas.
A person who sees the wrong in themselves and then moves with rightful intention to make amends is a continuous absolvement and living proof.
God moves with all moved by God.
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This may be the 'Church's take on things Thomas. But you must remember while the 'Church' was busy 'unifying', twasn't all who jumped on board. The 'Church' spent centuries 'insisting' that they were the only one and true way and many still refused to go that way. Since then many more have left or not taken in all those beliefs, tradition. It isn't the church, it isn't Christianity, it isn't universal, it is Catholicism, a denomination of Christianity. It is your choice and your belief, but not that of all of us.Not in a fully Christian context, it's a bit too existential for us...Repentance comes from within. Absolution comes from without.
Thomas
Kindest Regards, Thomas!And again, no-one has been able to demonstrate to me anything other than a selective reading of the texts to suit themselves, "I like the idea of Jesus, I just don't buy all the things He said."
OK. I think I have said what I wanted to say with regard to the Church, whether one chooses to believe it or not, is a matter of personal opinion.
For me, in short:
The Church is the hostage of God,
outside Her,
God is the hostage of man.
Thomas
Joedjr;141613. Rev 7:12 Joe[/quote said:Now, all of Jehovah’s faithful heavenly creatures burst into melodious praise as the great crowd appears rev 7;9-10 .
the Lord’s day is a thrilling time in which to be living. (Revelation 1:10) Here on earth,
how privileged we can be to share in the song of praise by witnessing to Jehovah’s Kingdom!and yes , there is a GREAT CROWD. and they are all welcoming Gods reighning king . i have got my symbolic palm branch and waving it around alot .
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