Has CR changed you?

It made me not want anything to do with religion. I learned other religions/dogmas but it did nothing for me. I ended up rejecting them all in the end. I guess I always knew that.

The parsha was the best part as it offered a one on one, down to earth study partner with new things and new things coming out of the old and without the rhetoric that you find in the religions. For me that was the best part. I am just that way & find the same old topics and bickering obnoxious.

The only thing that changed is, I cannot stand talking to people about religion. As soon as anyone starts trying to explain God or lack of from a religious institution POV & their doctrines that no one can live by- I turn them off & I was never like that before forums like this. However that for me is a good thing because I am happy.

No one can explain any of it without running into dead ends as that is what finite minds tend to do following someone elses dead ends.
Which dead end do you prefer? I prefer none of them.

Maybe that is why Jesus always saved his best conversation for the closest in private? & tossed baby talk to the groups? Maybe he hated talking to people about religion like I do? & his best moments were alone and one on one? I don't know. Though it was political religion that got him killed & he knew it would, or so the tale goes. Makes one wonder.

I also will not reform to the politics of such places and so, left it behind me as I do not need to prove or justify anything. That is what happens when you reach for the hem of his garment instead of the confusion of the crowds.
 
Hi Bandito, nice to see you!

I agree, dialog is pointless when you already know you're right and everyone else is wrong. Why bother?

Chris
 
Hi China

For me it is more like dialogue about things that no one can prove right or wrong, true or false, then to debate what cannot be proven or disproven that is pointless.
 
I kind of agree with Bandit. Its always the same arguments and discussions about all of the same things. You cant prove faith and everyone wants proof in order to believe.. its an oxymoron.

I just read a good secular fantasy series by Faith Hunter (ROFL) the names of the books are Bloodring, Seraphs, and lastly Host. They were pretty good. I wouldnt put any religious emphesis on it.. the author did a good job fictionalizing a what if ... it basically sums up how I feel about this forum as vague as that statement might be :)
 
Hey Bandit,

I agree with you, although I don't think the dialogue/discussion is worthless. I agree completely that debate is worthless, and divisive. I've been trying to avoid that because you are right, you just can't "prove" faith.

However, I've learned a lot at these disucssion forums and I think I've made some friends. I know there are people here I care about.

Laurie
 
Bandit said:
Hi China

For me it is more like dialogue about things that no one can prove right or wrong, true or false, then to debate what cannot be proven or disproven that is pointless.
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So, Bandit, what's your favorite thing for breakfast? Can you prove it? Since you won't be able to prove your answer, should I unask the question and just guess as to what you might like for breakfast? ;)
 
seattlegal said:
So, Bandit, what's your favorite thing for breakfast? Can you prove it? Since you won't be able to prove your answer, should I unask the question and just guess as to what you might like for breakfast? ;)
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Or you could just come over & we can make a breakfast together as long as there is no discussion about religion or defining a God or gods:)



Snoopy said:
I'm reminded of this Python sketch :

YouTube - Monty Python Argument Sketch


(even if it's not totally relevant it's still really funny!)

no it isn't.

yes it is....


s.
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Exactly. Argument rooms.
 
Faithfulservant said:
I kind of agree with Bandit. Its always the same arguments and discussions about all of the same things. You cant prove faith and everyone wants proof in order to believe.. its an oxymoron.

I just read a good secular fantasy series by Faith Hunter (ROFL) the names of the books are Bloodring, Seraphs, and lastly Host. They were pretty good. I wouldnt put any religious emphesis on it.. the author did a good job fictionalizing a what if ... it basically sums up how I feel about this forum as vague as that statement might be :)
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WHAT IF & WHATEVER...sums it up. :)Now time for a sunday tea party.
 
lunamoth said:
Hey Bandit,

I agree with you, although I don't think the dialogue/discussion is worthless. I agree completely that debate is worthless, and divisive. I've been trying to avoid that because you are right, you just can't "prove" faith.

However, I've learned a lot at these disucssion forums and I think I've made some friends. I know there are people here I care about.

Laurie
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There are some people who enjoy arguing and will do that about anything & everything (not just religion). I know because I have a friend (someone who I trust for 2 decades) who I hang up the phone on all the time as soon as she tries to get me into a 'dialogue':), I mean argument... & I tell her I am not going to argue with her. CLICK

Then she calls back & says, "I was not trying to argue with you.":)
 
Bandit said:
Or you could just come over & we can make a breakfast together as long as there is no discussion about religion or defining a God or gods:)
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Sorry to butt in...if that could be almond croissants and strong black coffee, I don't even need to talk. :p

s.
 
Snoopy said:
Sorry to butt in...if that could be almond croissants and strong black coffee, I don't even need to talk. :p

s.
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Ok. Then go shoot off some mortars after the croissants but we need both almond ones & chocolate ones. BTW that monty python skit is exactly what it is & is very funny. It would be good with the door knocking & slamming in surround sound.
 
Bandit said:
Ok. Then go shoot off some mortars after the croissants but we need both almond ones & chocolate ones. BTW that monty python skit is exactly what it is & is very funny. It would be good with the door knocking & slamming in surround sound.
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Glad you liked the sketch. :D

I may also get some pecan nut swirls....


s.
 
Has CR changed me?
Well yes in some ways it has. It has surely shown me the "tolerant" crowd is not quite as tolerant as I had always believed.

Bandit, if you ever decide to engage in dialog again let me know. Some of our old dialogs are the main things that make me think about CR.
 
Interesting perspective Bandit:

Someone was angry with me once because I told him he should confess his crimes to the people he committed them against. He exclaimed to me that I was wrong to be defining God to him. My reply was, "You have been telling me who you think God is." He looked confused. He said he follows a different God. So I asked him if he would place greater faith and trust in a person who confessed a crime to him. I asked him further if he liked it when others confessed their sins to him. His answer was yes and yes. Having the answer I said, "I agree and thank you for defining God."

A person might see what is Good in others, but does not see how they have unequally tried to exempt themselves from the same standard. So it looks to me like a hangup to denounce those who define God for the sake of defining God. While it is unknown whether the definition is a true witness, applied logic, or a total fabrication, it is always food for thought. Jesus and every prophet would be found as criminals if defining God were illegal. Realize it is never the exchange of a fully defined God, but an exchange of what a person has seen of God, or as the Holy Good behavior.

From another viewpoint... I personally do not mind it if others converse about me. Does anyone here? So then why should God mind it if others converse about him?

While there is surely a bit of rumor and gossip and fiction in any exchange, I submit that there is always a very large fact in it. For example while the subject itself may be total fiction, it is a total fact that someone believes it. That fact alone is something real and can be worked with. But if exchanging viewpoints of who or what God is were like death to my ears, then I am already dead to hearing others... both the fiction and the fact. Would you agree Bandit?
 
Dor said:
Has CR changed me?
Well yes in some ways it has. It has surely shown me the "tolerant" crowd is not quite as tolerant as I had always believed.

Bandit, if you ever decide to engage in dialog again let me know. Some of our old dialogs are the main things that make me think about CR.
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Hi Dor. It was fun in the beginning wasn't it. People change, times change, we get older & hopefully wiser.
You know nothing stays the same but we did have some good ones:)
 
cyberpi said:
Interesting perspective Bandit:

Someone was angry with me once because I told him he should confess his crimes to the people he committed them against. He exclaimed to me that I was wrong to be defining God to him. My reply was, "You have been telling me who you think God is." He looked confused. He said he follows a different God. So I asked him if he would place greater faith and trust in a person who confessed a crime to him. I asked him further if he liked it when others confessed their sins to him. His answer was yes and yes. Having the answer I said, "I agree and thank you for defining God."

A person might see what is Good in others, but does not see how they have unequally tried to exempt themselves from the same standard. So it looks to me like a hangup to denounce those who define God for the sake of defining God. While it is unknown whether the definition is a true witness, applied logic, or a total fabrication, it is always food for thought. Jesus and every prophet would be found as criminals if defining God were illegal. Realize it is never the exchange of a fully defined God, but an exchange of what a person has seen of God, or as the Holy Good behavior.

From another viewpoint... I personally do not mind it if others converse about me. Does anyone here? So then why should God mind it if others converse about him?

While there is surely a bit of rumor and gossip and fiction in any exchange, I submit that there is always a very large fact in it. For example while the subject itself may be total fiction, it is a total fact that someone believes it. That fact alone is something real and can be worked with. But if exchanging viewpoints of who or what God is were like death to my ears, then I am already dead to hearing others... both the fiction and the fact. Would you agree Bandit?
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I do not agree or disagree because I do not give 2 cents either way. Do I want to hear how you define your god? maybe & maybe not depending on my mood but most likely your perceptions if from traditional POV- I will turn it off.

Wil asked a question (Has CR changed you?) and I answered it according to myself, not according to it changing you or someone else:).
 
path_of_one said:
I wonder how many Puget Sound folks we have... I knew about you, and I want to say Pathless is from these parts...
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I'm not from Puget Sound, but I've been there during a few stints in the Navy. Bremerton, specifically. But I really though it was beautiful up there, much greener than the more accustomed San Diego area, where I spend most of my naval career. And yes, the people are more friendlier than SoCal. I'd wouldn't mind living there, if not for the rain.
 
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