Establishing the truth!

[Iacchus]

Sorry to be glib but all I can say to that is "no s**t Sherlock". There is nothing, but nothing, other than ego to suggest man is of any importance what so ever. The best we can do is look, learn, re-learn and most of all and most importantly....just ponder.

Tao

Am I disturbing your sense of "oneness?" Or, am I disturbing the atheist in you? I believe in the immortality of the soul? Are you saying it's all egotistical flatulence? If there is any "truth" to one's immortality, then obviously that would be something beneficial to reflect upon. Neither does its acceptance mean that man has necessarily assigned any more importance (although I'm sure it can) than what already existed in the first place. It's either a fact or truth about reality or it isn't.

 

[China Cat Sunflower]

The truth is that there is no inherent benevolence. The truth is that everything is a social construct. We're caught, like a monkey with it's fist around a pebble in a gourd, in an Escher-esque liar's paradox. We can't escape because we can't let go, and we can't let go because letting go invites anarchy and semantical oblivion. The truth is...irrelevant.

Chris

 

[Tao_Equus]

The truth is that there is no inherent benevolence. The truth is that everything is a social construct. We're caught, like a monkey with it's fist around a pebble in a gourd, in an Escher-esque liar's paradox. We can't escape because we can't let go, and we can't let go because letting go invites anarchy and semantical oblivion. The truth is...irrelevant.

Chris

Another gem

Irrelevant hot air is all I have to offer, that much I know. All I read here I believe also ultimately to be but specks of foam on an almost endless sea of human dribble. But sometimes its a comfort to stare mesmerised by the way a few of these symbols of language are assembled to convey the beauty of thought, however ultimately futile they may be. After all...its all we do have.... which makes it better than nothing...sometimes......

Tao

 

[Tao_Equus]

Am I disturbing your sense of "oneness?" Or, am I disturbing the atheist in you? I believe in the immortality of the soul? Are you saying it's all egotistical flatulence? If there is any "truth" to one's immortality, then obviously that would be something beneficial to reflect upon. Neither does its acceptance mean that man has necessarily assigned any more importance (although I'm sure it can) than what already existed in the first place. It's either a fact or truth about reality or it isn't.

No you are not disturbing me at all.
Why do you believe in the immortality of soul?
Egotistical flatulence..there is actual evidence for that being truth, none at all for the eternal soul.
Facts or truths have to have at least some presentable evidence in support of them.

But that was not the point of my post. All you said in the post i responded to was man looks at things. And all I said was "no s**t Sherlock". Its that simple.

tao

 

[Tao_Equus]

There would be no witnessing of truth were man not conscious. Therefore it is consciousness, in line with a "conscious" creator, that exists outside of time and space. It's really quite simple.

We are concious. Therefore God is real, alive and concious too. And the universe rides on the back of a war elephant that has a foot on each of four turtles swimming through the sea of eternity. Its really quite simple.

Tao

 

[Tao_Equus]

Are you interested in going forward or rehashing past failures of others?



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I think to draw any conclusion for myself I must understand all the arguments? No? One of the main reasons the large hadron collider has been built is to answer the Higgs questions, thus a lot of physicists believe we have to answer these questions before we can be sure of the future direction of physics research. You may have dismissed them, but you have still failed to convey to me or these boards a coherent alternative. Energy is light is easy to say but you have given no explanation as to the theory you say you have that changes the way we should conceive reality. You force me to stab in the dark drawing from the physics I know of to try and deduce what you are trying to say. Much easier for me and everyone else if you just spit it out.

Tao

 

[greymare]

We are concious. Therefore God is real, alive and concious too. And the universe rides on the back of a war elephant that has a foot on each of four turtles swimming through the sea of eternity. Its really quite simple.

Tao

i have this mental image............ a warhorse on the back of elephants................ go tao............ the old greymare is with you............................

 

[seattlegal]

The truth is that there is no inherent benevolence. The truth is that everything is a social construct. We're caught, like a monkey with it's fist around a pebble in a gourd, in an Escher-esque liar's paradox. We can't escape because we can't let go, and we can't let go because letting go invites anarchy and semantical oblivion. The truth is...irrelevant.

Chris

Romans 3 is an interesting parallel to your statement.
excerpt (premise of argument)

3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written:

“ That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged.”

5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) 6 Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? 8 And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.​

 

[Bishadi]

If the truth be irrelevant; then shut up!

The idea that the compassion always represents humility is something this "I" may never know.

To accept some of the rude, irresponsible, foolishly stupid, comments by certain representations; is a loss to the common.

There is an old saying; 'if the bowl is dirty, wash it'

It seems that unless a man walks on water or willing to take the abuse of even the most ignorant; the pure reality of the compassionate gift is just not recognized.

the bowl is dirty; condemned they be.

So if anyone ever wants to know where the arrogance was created from, then know that the liar cannot be accepted.

In the face of truth the liar is just not capable as its self is priority.

Soon that form of addressing the selfish will be just that absolute.

if the dog bites the hand that feeds it; put it down.

The Truth is absolute!

The rest will be extinct!

 

[Tao_Equus]

Yeh yeh yeh Bashadi... seems I was wasting my time.

Everybody is wrong except you!!

Do you hear voices? Do they tell you to do things?

When was the last time you saw a doctor?

Do the harmonics of light give you secret messages?

Ohhh hang on.......see that sign in the skies!!..you better answer fast...Armageddon is imminent!!

Tao

 

[Bishadi]

Every question you asked I offered something to observe. In each case it was not that the answer is incorrect, it was that in each pursuit there were additional items that compounded more questioning.

And then when others show their opinions that cause doubt coupled with the attitude of arrogance by the replies I post, its all over!

As for my health; its the best ever, as whether you realize it or not, when I was doing work on assisting you, I covered another item with Bose Einstein Distribution and found a site on string theory that had a beautiful rendition of conveying certain principle of relevant evidence.

Atom

The Bose-Einstein Distribution

In that screen not only does it reflect that "f" is E itself, but to understand the rest you would see it is the closest to the true equation of MET.

My point is, that no matter how you wish to discount the interaction, there is nothing I can do but say thanks for the additional read and questions.

What you may wish to do is keep a few of the notes for your own reference and build from there and the next time someone suggests 'honor' within your blood line, say 'thank you' instead of stepping on the people that are literally alive in you as they contributed their life (dna) for you to even be here.....

Hey we each have skeletons in the closet, as each of us are from blood lines that go way back and whether you know it or not, them and you contributed when needed.

 

[China Cat Sunflower]

Romans 3 is an interesting parallel to your statement.
excerpt (premise of argument)

3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written:

“ That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged.”

5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) 6 Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? 8 And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.​

Paul ripping Psalms.

Chris

 

[Bruno's logic]

When Humanity turns on the large Hadron Collider at Cern planet Earth and soon the entire solar system will slowly be engulfed in an unstoppable force of nature,
a baby black hole.

This accident, or so it seems, is a blessing in disguise for as it turns out, giving birth to a black hole, is the natural progression of life on worlds that persue an understanding of existence via technology, and thow it will be the end of life as we know it, the twist to this story is that it is also the only path
that leads to the fourth dimension.

It is evolution. Every Black Hole in this existence, the third dimension, had its humble beginnings in a similar manner. Black holes are doorways into the next level of existence. They don’t just happen they are created either on purpose or by accident by sentient beings in this reality. Either way, soon after we turn on that collider, we’re going down the rabbit hole…….
you heard it here first... don't be afraid....it's natural, might be a bit painful, but wait till you pop your head out the other side..... the fourth dimension baby....
~Bruno

 

[Bruno's logic]

I could be wrong about that last post...
I have no proof....
but then again establishing the truth in a reality where illusion manifests itself everywhere is an almost impossible feat....
If I am right......
see you on the other side...
~Bruno

 

[Bishadi]

I could be wrong about that last post...
I have no proof....
but then again establishing the truth in a reality where illusion manifests itself everywhere is an almost impossible feat....
If I am right......
see you on the other side...
~Bruno

its a date

Everything has been said before, but since nobody listens we have to keep going back and beginning all over again

Humor and logic tied into one.

Be all you can be; gobruno!

 

[Iacchus]

We are concious. Therefore God is real, alive and concious too. And the universe rides on the back of a war elephant that has a foot on each of four turtles swimming through the sea of eternity. Its really quite simple.

Tao

Does truth exist independently of man's conceptualization of it? Yes or no? If not, then there is nothing for man to discover, about himself or, anything else. If so, then obviously it was "manufactured" by something else. Neither can it be considered a property of time and space, since it is the very thing which observes and, in effect precedes time and space. And, since everything by virtue of its existence is established "in truth," i.e., it either exists (as a "true fact") or it doesn't, then it would suffice to say that truth exists in dimension of its own (more akin to the "conscious mind" or "spirit") and, is what gave rise to the first four. In which case all I can say, is that who or, whatever created "our reality," knew what it was doing and, we are the beneficiaries of that.

 

[Iacchus]

The truth is that there is no inherent benevolence. The truth is that everything is a social construct. We're caught, like a monkey with it's fist around a pebble in a gourd, in an Escher-esque liar's paradox. We can't escape because we can't let go, and we can't let go because letting go invites anarchy and semantical oblivion. The truth is...irrelevant.

Chris

So, the only way we can ascertain the "truth" is to get together and vote on it? Yes, this may be required in order to determine the law of the land, but how does that affect reality as a whole? Just because the truth affects each one is differently (which is only a testimony to its diversity), does not make it irrelevant, in the least. If it did, the whole of existence would be irrelevant. So, in that sense, the truth of reality (or its constructs) must in fact be absolute.

 

[Iacchus]

No you are not disturbing me at all.
Why do you believe in the immortality of soul?
Egotistical flatulence..there is actual evidence for that being truth, none at all for the eternal soul.
Facts or truths have to have at least some presentable evidence in support of them.

But that was not the point of my post. All you said in the post i responded to was man looks at things. And all I said was "no s**t Sherlock". Its that simple.

tao

Yes, I do believe. However, since you're the one who seems to have all the answers, why is it that you don't believe? According to you, I'm either full flatulence or I'm not, right?

 

[China Cat Sunflower]

So, the only way we can ascertain the "truth" is to get together and vote on it? Yes, this may be required in order to determine the law of the land, but how does that affect reality as a whole? Just because the truth affects each one is differently (which is only a testimony to its diversity), does not make it irrelevant, in the least. If it did, the whole of existence would be irrelevant. So, in that sense, the truth of reality (or its constructs) must in fact be absolute.

Is truth the amalgam of all constructs or the residue of utter deconstruction? Do we add everything up to arrive at truth, or do we subtract everything and see what's left at the point of zero superfluity. I tend to be a minimalist so I would have go with the subtractive analysis track. From that perspective truth is irrelevant because to get to it you would have to essentially annihilate yourself in the process of deduction.

Chris

 

[Paladin]

Is truth the amalgam of all constructs or the residue of utter deconstruction? Do we add everything up to arrive at truth, or do we subtract everything and see what's left at the point of zero superfluity. I tend to be a minimalist so I would have go with the subtractive analysis track. From that perspective truth is irrelevant because to get to it you would have to essentially annihilate yourself in the process of deduction.

Chris

Very nice Chris. I might respectfully point out that there might not be a self to annihilate, but that would be a spoiler wouldn't it? There is so much more satisfaction in continuing the argument, continuing the seeking for then the game can continue!
Yes indeed what would we do with ourselves if we saw an end to bombastic bifurcation?
Subject/Object is needed to continue the story nicht wahr?