taijasi
Gnōthi seauton
I think it's very simple. If you don't find the Zohar to be inspirational to you, that's okay. But I'm not sure what you hope to gain, or in what way it is helpful in the least to emphasize this fact. In the context of a discussion, I think I have plenty to contribute by bringing up the inspiration that I have found by the words of the Great Teachers who taught us through this vehicle.
For those who find their inspiration, values and guidance elsewhere, that is fine. Reading the Zohar is something that any of us is free to do, and thank God for that. You try and put a restriction on that, tell me I can't read it, or if you say I should not read it, then is there a GOOD reason for your advice? Yes, I do have a beef with anyone who tells me what I can and can't, or even should and should not read.
Now we get to the meat of it, the heart of the matter. Apple meat even ... this being a fruit. The kingdoms themselves even have something to tell us, much to tell us about Evolution, the process by which God's very Breath becomes ... ah well, the quote said it all, thousands of years before I, or any of us, even existed.![Eek! :eek: :eek:](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
The breath, in time, becomes a wo/man.
Stones, followed by -- Fruit. Fruit, symbolizing through the story, knowledge of good and evil ... the ability (RESPONS-ability even) to distinguish, to choose. And we do this every day, all day, throughout and within, EVERY single thought we think, or motivation we act on, and in or during action itself.
Relative to the Zohar quote, I am asking the question -- Where do Adam & Even fit into all of this? Where, who, and or what were they when they existed as a Breath? How does that relate to their experience as stone, planet, animal and finally man?
And to come back to the real point I was hoping to make -- we are not the crown of creation, even upon the physical planet. Just because we cannot SEE the orders of Angels, and evolved humans whom and which constitute the last two kingdoms mentioned by this quote, doesn't mean that those kingdoms aren't quite active within our world. They'd better be, or you can stop talking about Angels -- whether you see them through the bright shiny lenses of a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jehovah's Witness or a Hindu.
Forget it. Either this quote speaks Wisdom, and that's regardless of what your church has to say about it ... or it doesn't. But I think it's worth THINKING about, instead of blurting out quick retorts that only reveal our unwillingness to consider other viewpoints -- or the experiences, backgrounds, and writings that inspire them.
I don't take kindly to being called an ass-wipe, but I have certainly been taught to look the other way. I wonder, how did you decide in your process of living that it was perfectly acceptable to "dish this stuff out," just because you feel a bit challenged, Dogbrain?
I'm glad that an eye for an eye works for you. Want to let me in on the secret of how this is following Christ's Word, Teachings or living example?![Eek! :eek: :eek:](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
Some things need saying. And I have a point to make. Part of my point is precisely what you yourself said in an earlier post, Dogbrain. You emphasized that our responsibility here is as stewards, and that this Biblical teaching is not quite interpreted right when it is usually referenced. I am in agreement.
Why aren't we focusing on that, and on parts of the discussion that can only come after there is some kind of a mutal nod. Is it really so important to win a battle of words? Prove to me your superiority, by demonstrating it. I know how to look the other way. I just don't know what to say to person who say, "Oh I can't consider what you've just said because I'm not allowed to."
Fine. Then don't. But just pay no attention then. Why must you feel the need to make a big deal about it?
No, Dogbrain. I am not an ass-wipe. You can apologize for that. Then I think we could probably be a part of a meaningful discussion together.
Until then, you have put me on guard.![Wink ;) ;)](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
Namaskar,
Andrew
For those who find their inspiration, values and guidance elsewhere, that is fine. Reading the Zohar is something that any of us is free to do, and thank God for that. You try and put a restriction on that, tell me I can't read it, or if you say I should not read it, then is there a GOOD reason for your advice? Yes, I do have a beef with anyone who tells me what I can and can't, or even should and should not read.
Now we get to the meat of it, the heart of the matter. Apple meat even ... this being a fruit. The kingdoms themselves even have something to tell us, much to tell us about Evolution, the process by which God's very Breath becomes ... ah well, the quote said it all, thousands of years before I, or any of us, even existed.
The breath, in time, becomes a wo/man.
Stones, followed by -- Fruit. Fruit, symbolizing through the story, knowledge of good and evil ... the ability (RESPONS-ability even) to distinguish, to choose. And we do this every day, all day, throughout and within, EVERY single thought we think, or motivation we act on, and in or during action itself.
Relative to the Zohar quote, I am asking the question -- Where do Adam & Even fit into all of this? Where, who, and or what were they when they existed as a Breath? How does that relate to their experience as stone, planet, animal and finally man?
And to come back to the real point I was hoping to make -- we are not the crown of creation, even upon the physical planet. Just because we cannot SEE the orders of Angels, and evolved humans whom and which constitute the last two kingdoms mentioned by this quote, doesn't mean that those kingdoms aren't quite active within our world. They'd better be, or you can stop talking about Angels -- whether you see them through the bright shiny lenses of a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jehovah's Witness or a Hindu.
Forget it. Either this quote speaks Wisdom, and that's regardless of what your church has to say about it ... or it doesn't. But I think it's worth THINKING about, instead of blurting out quick retorts that only reveal our unwillingness to consider other viewpoints -- or the experiences, backgrounds, and writings that inspire them.
I don't take kindly to being called an ass-wipe, but I have certainly been taught to look the other way. I wonder, how did you decide in your process of living that it was perfectly acceptable to "dish this stuff out," just because you feel a bit challenged, Dogbrain?
I'm glad that an eye for an eye works for you. Want to let me in on the secret of how this is following Christ's Word, Teachings or living example?
Some things need saying. And I have a point to make. Part of my point is precisely what you yourself said in an earlier post, Dogbrain. You emphasized that our responsibility here is as stewards, and that this Biblical teaching is not quite interpreted right when it is usually referenced. I am in agreement.
Why aren't we focusing on that, and on parts of the discussion that can only come after there is some kind of a mutal nod. Is it really so important to win a battle of words? Prove to me your superiority, by demonstrating it. I know how to look the other way. I just don't know what to say to person who say, "Oh I can't consider what you've just said because I'm not allowed to."
Fine. Then don't. But just pay no attention then. Why must you feel the need to make a big deal about it?
No, Dogbrain. I am not an ass-wipe. You can apologize for that. Then I think we could probably be a part of a meaningful discussion together.
Until then, you have put me on guard.
Namaskar,
Andrew