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from far far away
stuff evolution i am human not an ape! [just balme dawkins for all these threads lols].
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we are the same as apes? genes are genes and nature is nature, yet as soon as you add language to a species then the animal world and evolution is no longer fundamental. humanity builds a holistic network of meaning and artificial environments ~ and possesses imagination! it is not therefore completely driven by evolution. perhaps we can say;
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the day the word exists is the day natural evolution ends.
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sure we still evolve but it is by our own means as well as by nature. the more we understand about evolution and genes, the more we can escape their clutches.
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i cannot think of anything which could make us more different to the rest of the animal kingdom. so are we apes or are we whatever we freekin want ourselves to be!
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when science goes on about survivalism and the selfish gene [in its correct context], they speak as if we are still driven by them, that all of our emotions and responses [etc] arise from that. yet even though this is true, it is base. we have a layer on top of that and the ability to understand it and change it as we see fit. we have increasingly artificialised [for want of a better term right now] our condition and environment, much of which is a result of the holistic human entity we have become.
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what are we slave or master of our world?
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Q. You are your genes, your genes decide everything you think.
A. no room for subjective interpretation then!
our genes give us a given disposition towards religion etc, there is no way such things can be accurately manifest from genetic code, as it doesn’t contain holistic notions like church, god, type of religion etc! your genes don’t know much about the holistic reality at all. they are, are they not, a set of instructions, our every action is not coded within that would be impossible, only directions are coded.
Q. our brains may be like quantum computers but even they are limited by their hardware in what they can discover and know and how fast.
A. indeed. does thought operate in/by other perimeters too? where is infinite potential in all this, linked to probability surely ~ unless we say that is limited rather than random. so the quantum computer [that may be able to perform quantum mirroring, who knows!] is linked to the processes involved in any quantum operation, they have the ability to act randomly or at least with implied randomness.
how does dreaming or imagining occur on the objective and subjective level? we take e.g. two objects [say sphere and pyramid] and can make an almost infinite amount of shapes from it, maybe the same in terms of ideas?
secondly; is there anything outside our understanding whatever its level? it strikes me that everything comes down to simple concepts which build up into complex arrays of those concepts, further that the way things build are also governed by simple concepts. its all like trees of logic, one for say evolution, another for atomic evolution [growth through the periodic table], another for galaxy formations and geology etc etc.
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in short then aside from spirituality, does humanity build a holistic reality?
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we are the same as apes? genes are genes and nature is nature, yet as soon as you add language to a species then the animal world and evolution is no longer fundamental. humanity builds a holistic network of meaning and artificial environments ~ and possesses imagination! it is not therefore completely driven by evolution. perhaps we can say;
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the day the word exists is the day natural evolution ends.
.
sure we still evolve but it is by our own means as well as by nature. the more we understand about evolution and genes, the more we can escape their clutches.
.
i cannot think of anything which could make us more different to the rest of the animal kingdom. so are we apes or are we whatever we freekin want ourselves to be!
.
when science goes on about survivalism and the selfish gene [in its correct context], they speak as if we are still driven by them, that all of our emotions and responses [etc] arise from that. yet even though this is true, it is base. we have a layer on top of that and the ability to understand it and change it as we see fit. we have increasingly artificialised [for want of a better term right now] our condition and environment, much of which is a result of the holistic human entity we have become.
.
what are we slave or master of our world?
.
Q. You are your genes, your genes decide everything you think.
A. no room for subjective interpretation then!
our genes give us a given disposition towards religion etc, there is no way such things can be accurately manifest from genetic code, as it doesn’t contain holistic notions like church, god, type of religion etc! your genes don’t know much about the holistic reality at all. they are, are they not, a set of instructions, our every action is not coded within that would be impossible, only directions are coded.
Q. our brains may be like quantum computers but even they are limited by their hardware in what they can discover and know and how fast.
A. indeed. does thought operate in/by other perimeters too? where is infinite potential in all this, linked to probability surely ~ unless we say that is limited rather than random. so the quantum computer [that may be able to perform quantum mirroring, who knows!] is linked to the processes involved in any quantum operation, they have the ability to act randomly or at least with implied randomness.
how does dreaming or imagining occur on the objective and subjective level? we take e.g. two objects [say sphere and pyramid] and can make an almost infinite amount of shapes from it, maybe the same in terms of ideas?
secondly; is there anything outside our understanding whatever its level? it strikes me that everything comes down to simple concepts which build up into complex arrays of those concepts, further that the way things build are also governed by simple concepts. its all like trees of logic, one for say evolution, another for atomic evolution [growth through the periodic table], another for galaxy formations and geology etc etc.
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in short then aside from spirituality, does humanity build a holistic reality?
example held out of cloning. The trouble is, she was so riddled with disease she had to be put down at a very young age...and that's the rest of the story.
