Atheist board?

Something tells me Thomas would disagree with this comment. Do you have a source to cite?

Yes- the recent PEW report. I wasn't claiming that the older denominations used to think that God was a force, but the stats made it clear that they have many more in their membership that feel this way than the evangelicals do.
 
Merriam Webster:

Main Entry:the-ism
Pronunciation:*th*-*i-z*m
Function:noun
Date:1678

: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world.

I won't apply the label atheist to myself. Atheism implies that theism holds defacto status. A-theism is therefore a reaction to, and an anti-thesis of theism. In reality non-theist precedes theist. It is not a reaction to theism, it is the state of things prior to the introduction of theism. I don't subscribe to theism. I'm not anti-theistic, I'm simply non-theistic. And I'm not agnostic. I don't HAVE to endorse any particular metaphysical or philosophical model. I'm not sworn to any faction, that's kinda the whole point.

Chris
 
The perception over here of Americans when it comes to God is that you have collectively 'lost the plot'. I remember an interview on a news analysis program some time ago where the interviewer asked a question and the American politician came back with some God rubbish. I estimate that 95% of people watching that here thought that politician was completely off his nut. Yet in America it is a de facto requirement to be that way if you are seeking office.

I have, after weighing the evidence, made a concious choice in atheism. I cannot be certain I am right. That 70% of Americans claim certitude in God is extremely worrying and a damning indictment on the overall level of intelligence and education in the US.

I see these poll results as revealing an overwhelming ignorance of what reality is. But then again a country that could let an idiot like Bush in....twice... is already displaying that by the truckload.

tao
 
The perception over here of Americans when it comes to God is that you have collectively 'lost the plot'. I remember an interview on a news analysis program some time ago where the interviewer asked a question and the American politician came back with some God rubbish. I estimate that 95% of people watching that here thought that politician was completely off his nut. Yet in America it is a de facto requirement to be that way if you are seeking office.

I have, after weighing the evidence, made a concious choice in atheism. I cannot be certain I am right. That 70% of Americans claim certitude in God is extremely worrying and a damning indictment on the overall level of intelligence and education in the US.
Really, Tao? Since I happen to be one of them, an American theist, does that mean that you believe my overall level of intelligence and education to be lacking? :rolleyes:
I see these poll results as revealing an overwhelming ignorance of what reality is.
Alrighty then, is it my damning level of intelligence, education, or is it my supposed inability to perceive what reality is? Take your time answering. :D
 
Sorry for my obtuse thinking but I keep seeing this thread, Atheist board.

It actually doesn't concern me so much that there are bored atheists.

And I contemplate why atheists are so bored they feel the need to discuss religion.

But if I've got that wrong, and the boredom makes them want a board, why go to CR or IO, why not go to the surf shop or skate shop and get their own board, and if they use it they won't be bored.

back to your regular programming....
 
But then again a country that could let an idiot like Bush in....twice... is already displaying that by the truckload.
tao

Unlike us Brits, who only ever wisely elect (was it three times?) intellectual visionaries like Thatcher then?

s.
 
I have, after weighing the evidence, made a concious choice in atheism. I cannot be certain I am right. That 70% of Americans claim certitude in God is extremely worrying and a damning indictment on the overall level of intelligence and education in the US.

So... is it my PhD or my under-par intelligence that causes me to be a theist? :rolleyes:

I rarely pull out those cards. But the fact is, I graduated top of my class in all my degrees and outperformed those "brilliant" atheists who had figured it all out. LOL

I laugh every time I hear an argument that theism is somehow a sign of stupidity or ignorance. Now, stubbornness... then you may have a point! ;)

I see these poll results as revealing an overwhelming ignorance of what reality is.

Well, of course. My reality can't possibly be the right one. I'm simply ignorant to the "real" reality that only the atheists have found. :p

But then again a country that could let an idiot like Bush in....twice... is already displaying that by the truckload.

tao

You do realize that half the country (well, more than half in the Bush vs. Gore election) did not vote for Bush? What exactly do you propose we do about it when we lose?

And that half... was still predominantly Christian and theist.

So arguments that Bush is evidence for the stupidity of theism are stunningly illogical, counter-evidential, and biased.
 
In the United States, according to Business magazine, an estimated 15 million functionally illiterate adults held jobs at the beginning of the 21st century. The American Council of Life Insurers reported that 75% of the Fortune 500 companies provide some level of remedial training for their workers. All over U.S.A. 30 million (14% of adults) are functionally illiterate. [1]

The National Center for Education Statistics provides more detail. Literacy is broken down into three parameters: prose, document, and quantitative literacy. Each parameter has four levels: below basic, basic, intermediate, and proficient. For prose literacy, for example, a below basic level of literacy means that a person can look at a short piece of text to get a small piece of uncomplicated information; while a person who is below basic in quantitative literacy would be able to do simple addition. In the US, 43% of the adult population is at the below or basic level for prose literacy; 34% are at the below or basic level for document literacy; and 55% are at those levels for quantitative literacy. Only 13% of the population is proficient in these three areas—able to compare viewpoints in two editorials; interpret a table about blood pressure, age, and physical activity; or compute and compare the cost per ounce of food items.

In the UK, according to the Daily Telegraph (14 June 2006) "one in six British adults lacks the literacy skills of an 11-year-old". The UK government's Department for Education reported in 2006 that 47 percent of school children left school at age 16 without having achieved a basic level in functional maths, and 42 percent fail to achieve a basic level of functional English. Every year 100,000 pupils leave school functionally illiterate in the UK.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy

The fact is that most people are borderline functionally illiterate. The world really is, as the lyric goes, "full of stupid people."

Chris
 
Ohhhhhh diddums...the indignation!!

As Chris demonstrates in his post and Snoopy chimes in too about the UK, people are mostly stupid. Now if you want to call yourselves stupid go ahead but it was the "certitude" I was referring to amongst over 70% and not faith itself. If you all keep jumping down my throat with the "he's calling us stupid" routine many more times I may have to reassess my thinking on that :p


tao
 
Sorry for my obtuse thinking but I keep seeing this thread, Atheist board.

It actually doesn't concern me so much that there are bored atheists.

And I contemplate why atheists are so bored they feel the need to discuss religion.

But if I've got that wrong, and the boredom makes them want a board, why go to CR or IO, why not go to the surf shop or skate shop and get their own board, and if they use it they won't be bored.

back to your regular programming....


Perhaps Atheists too are here for a reason :p

tao
 
Originally Posted by Tao_Equus
I have, after weighing the evidence, made a concious choice in atheism. I cannot be certain I am right.

The High Priest of Atheism decries your unbelief in non-belief!!

full of stupid people.

The one thing I always note about the "stupid people" comment is that it's always aimed at everybody else.

wil's point is priceless as well - if someone has no belief in something, why would they actively join up to dedicated communities on that subject?

I don't believe that a pink elephant in ballet dress created the universe (though I have considered the idea), so I'm not going to go out an make the effort to look for forums about the idea, in order to discuss it. :)
 
wil's point is priceless as well - if someone has no belief in something, why would they actively join up to dedicated communities on that subject?

I do wonder about this, but it's an open forum and a bull in a china shop keeps you on your toes! I think golf is the most boring thing in the world, so why do I keep posting on LetsTalkGolf.org ???:rolleyes:

s.
 
Sorry Alex I cannot reply to that without it being deemed a personal attack and me getting banned. I have been warned.

tao
 
The one thing I always note about the "stupid people" comment is that it's always aimed at everybody else.

The last time you had to drive in rush hour traffic, did you get a sense of how utterly intelligent "everybody else" is?

Chris
 
The last time you had to drive in rush hour traffic, did you get a sense of how utterly intelligent "everybody else" is?

Chris

Hell no. The last, I say, the last time I had to drive in rush hour traffic I got a sense of how utterly stupid everyone else was. But wait! To me, "everyone else" includes you. :)

s.
 
Now if you want to call yourselves stupid go ahead but it was the "certitude" I was referring to amongst over 70% and not faith itself. tao

I see. In your eyes, we are redeemed in our intelligence if we are agnostic or uncertain in our faith. But if we are certain that there is a God, then we are stupid. Of course, by the same argument, I could say that then you would have to be agnostic to be intelligent... which means you would not be atheist but rather "unsure" and "still seeking." Which you aren't, by your own admission and self-identification as an atheist.

So nearly everyone in the world, except the agnostic folks, are idiots. Eh, if that is the case, the label of stupid kind of loses its bite...

Feel free to correct me if I've misinterpreted your argument.
 
Hell no. The last, I say, the last time I had to drive in rush hour traffic I got a sense of how utterly stupid everyone else was. But wait! To me, "everyone else" includes you. :)

s.

LOL

I can't ever see traffic the same again after watching an anthro video on how intelligent humans are to be able to drive at all. Chimps just can't do it. It requires a very high level of multi-tasking and processing of information from a ton of sources at warp speed, plus anticipating and predicting the behaviors of all the drivers around you, navigating and using mental maps... all at the same time. From an animal behavior standpoint, it is a truly amazing feat and yet none of us consider getting your license a work of genius. LOL

Then, to top it off, people add in listening to the radio, having conversations, eating...

Humans are amazing.
 
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