Door-To-Door Missionaries

No, that isn't love Patti. That was an order to be carried out by the troops. It was also a promise that the high command would back them up.

Love is something totally different.

It most certainly is too love. When you love somebody and care about what is going to happen to them, you level with them. What do you say love is?

"Making disciples of all the nations" may be an order, just like love your neighbor as yourself is an order. The troops? Who do you think? If you are a non-Christian and reading what Jesus said, then o.k. fine he isn't talking to you.
 
Who blasted cares about the "last days"? It is today that matters Mee,
yes i agree, it is today that matters .Putting ourselves inline with Gods purpose today means that we will be in a better place when Gods time table is up . that is why i am doing the best i can to be on Gods wavelength .
Before [the] statute gives birth to [anything], [before the] day has passed by just like chaff, before there comes upon YOU people the burning anger of Jehovah, before there comes upon YOU the day of Jehovah’s anger, 3 seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger. ZEPHENIAH 2;2-3 At the end of the day it really is up to us as individuals if we are in a concealed place. and as the verse says it is a case of seeking meekness, and seeking Jehovah . so attitudes do play a big part in how we see the last days .
The Bible refers to this period now as “the last days.” (2 Timothy 3:1) How glad we can be that God will soon do away with the Devil’s influence over the earth!
 
And door to door missionaries are a pain in the ass. The disciples did not go door to door. They entered a town and went to the square. Then, they were or were not "invited" into homes. They did not walk into a private plot of land un announced.
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while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house. ACTS 20;20


Or, “and in private houses.” Lit., “and according to houses.” Gr., kai kat’ oi′kous. Here ka·ta′ is used with the accusative pl. in the distributive sense.


And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.Acts 5;42

Lit., “according to house.” Gr., kat’ oi′kon. Here ka·ta′ is used with the accusative sing. in the distributive sense. R. C. H. Lenski, in his work The Interpretation of The Acts of the Apostles, Minneapolis (1961), made the following comment on Ac 5:42: “Never for a moment did the apostles cease their blessed work. ‘Every day’ they continued, and this openly ‘in the Temple’ where the Sanhedrin and the Temple police could see and hear them, and, of course, also κατ’ οἴκον, which is distributive, ‘from house to house,’ and not merely adverbial, ‘at home.’ ”
 
I forgot to mention, there is a fifth element that ticks people off...those claiming to being Christians, but who's agenda is to gather more members/parishoners/sheep, for their own (Not God's) purposes.
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if it was for their own agenda , those gathered ones would not be doing this following verse in revelation 7;9-10 or matthew 24;14 or matthew 28;19-20 they would be out of line with Gods purpose ,but the good thing about Jehovahs witnesses is that the great crowd of gathered ones is doing just what the bible tells them too. remembering what Jesus last words to his followers were is the thing to do .

Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” matthew 28;19-20................... and yes it does tick others off .
 
That is why I personally close the door on any missionaries who knock at mine.
there was a time when i was without accurate knowledge about Jehovahs witnesses ,that i used to not open the door . and many people do the same as what i used to do , and many close the door as you do now. but i always think that Jehovah is the reader of hearts and he will make sure that a person comes into contact with those who he is using to preach the goodnews of the kingdom Daniel 2;44 matthew 24;14 in one way or another. remember the etheopion he had a spiritual need and it was satisfied.
 
"I'm a Christian, I say". Then I'm lectured on how I'm the wrong type of Christian? Stuff that. That to me is God being made in some "man's" image...no thanks.
the aim of Jehovahs witnesses is to point to what the bible says . as you say manmade things are not the way to go . if we stick to the bible we cant go wrong . the bible is what it is all about .Daniel 2;44 matthew 24;14 Psalm 83;18 John 3;16 John 17;3
 
I concede the possibility of a "second chance" after death. I am intrigued by Fr. Seraphim's idea of "Aeriel-Tollhouses". It's similiar to the experience of Howard Storm in his book, "My Descent Into Death". Could you direct me to more references to this?

A good writing on this is " The Soul After Death " by Father Seraphim Rose.
 
A what Christian? I'm Orthodox.

And yes Patty, out of love for us Jesus is always with us, but if you love Jesus and know that he loves you, everything else will fall into place with prayer and repentance.

We don't need to preach the doom and gloom " this is nothing but fluffy ice cream love and you need to be taught a lesson " doctrine.

Cover your own ass Christian.

Knowing and loving Jesus is definitely the place to start. But you do not stop there, you introduce the bible. If you just simply say you love Jesus but can't say anything else about Christianity you are just perpetuating stereotypes.

Speaking of perpetuating stereotypes what do you mean by "gloom and doom" preaching?
 
the aim of Jehovahs witnesses is to point to what the bible says . as you say manmade things are not the way to go . if we stick to the bible we cant go wrong . the bible is what it is all about .Daniel 2;44 matthew 24;14 Psalm 83;18 John 3;16 John 17;3

No, sometimes (no most of the time), you "overload" with so much information, it overwhelms and ultimately turns off the reader. And there is nothing personal in your posts, unless we drag....it out of you. I for one, do not care to drag out of anyone their reflections, nor do I care to weed through various scripture marks to try and figure out what is being said.

I suspect most others don't bother either. So what happens, Mee, is instead of catching people's attention, your posts become a road side billboard, because there is nothing personal in it. And if you try to say one more time that this is your life...then I think you've been lobotomized...I could talk with a parrot and get the same information...

And I fear you will deliberately or otherwise miss my whole point (again), but I'll keep trying.

Think about it.

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It most certainly is too love. When you love somebody and care about what is going to happen to them, you level with them. What do you say love is?

"Making disciples of all the nations" may be an order, just like love your neighbor as yourself is an order. The troops? Who do you think? If you are a non-Christian and reading what Jesus said, then o.k. fine he isn't talking to you.

Agape love (the greatest of all loves), is doing for others what is best for them, despite how we personally feel, and despit what it might cost us. That is where "love your enemy" gets it's strength from.

There is no order to go out and witness door to door. The "witness" is in the actions and behavior of the one, during a time of observation by non-believers, whether that be a moment, or years...

My thoughts.

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Agape love (the greatest of all loves), is doing for others what is best for them, despite how we personally feel, and despit what it might cost us. That is where "love your enemy" gets it's strength from.

Sounds a lot like the great commission to me. Especially the personal cost part.

There is no order to go out and witness door to door.

I realize this and I also realize some people have earned reputations that are doing The Kingdom a disservice, but I had people from a local church come by my house before I was a Christian and I really enjoyed talking to them. Their follow-up was really bad (I called the church and didn't recieve a return phone call), but I am not going to blame the entire process.(I also didn't become a Christian right then, but in hindsight, I am so glad it worked out that way. hmmm...maybe God had a hand in it.)

I read earlier where you had people come to your door and say you were the "wrong" kind of Christian. You know I definitely do not agree with that. But sometimes people
NEED a personal introduction to the Lord. I am not talking about any type of self serving evangelism, I am referring to sad times in people's lives when they do not know where to turn.
 
Sounds a lot like the great commission to me. Especially the personal cost part.



I realize this and I also realize some people have earned reputations that are doing The Kingdom a disservice, but I had people from a local church come by my house before I was a Christian and I really enjoyed talking to them. Their follow-up was really bad (I called the church and didn't recieve a return phone call), but I am not going to blame the entire process.(I also didn't become a Christian right then, but in hindsight, I am so glad it worked out that way. hmmm...maybe God had a hand in it.)

I read earlier where you had people come to your door and say you were the "wrong" kind of Christian. You know I definitely do not agree with that. But sometimes people
NEED a personal introduction to the Lord. I am not talking about any type of self serving evangelism, I am referring to sad times in people's lives when they do not know where to turn.

But as you wisely point out, God determines what we need to hear...not the door knockers.

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Cover your own ass Christian.

Knowing and loving Jesus is definitely the place to start. But you do not stop there, you introduce the bible. If you just simply say you love Jesus but can't say anything else about Christianity you are just perpetuating stereotypes.

Speaking of perpetuating stereotypes what do you mean by "gloom and doom" preaching?

I still don't know what a " cover your own ass " Christian is, please explain?


I'm not saying "stop there, that's the end" or " love Jesus and that's it". No way. We don't just reach a plateau and then stop. I'm not advocating that at all. What I was saying is that if you love Jesus and truly seek him in prayer and repentance, that everything else will come too, God willing.

What I mean by "doom and gloom" preaching is the constant focus on Hell and who is damned and not damned, fire and brimstone, that whole thing.
 
I like you dondi and if I knew it was you knocking on my door Id probably invite y;ou in for a cuppa. Perhaps I could suggest a name badge. I had a couple door knock this week and though I was polite, I suggested this website for their perusal. i dont know if it did much good.
 
No, sometimes (no most of the time), you "overload" with so much information, it overwhelms and ultimately turns off the reader. And there is nothing personal in your posts, unless we drag....it out of you. I for one, do not care to drag out of anyone their reflections, nor do I care to weed through various scripture marks to try and figure out what is being said.

I suspect most others don't bother either. So what happens, Mee, is instead of catching people's attention, your posts become a road side billboard, because there is nothing personal in it. And if you try to say one more time that this is your life...then I think you've been lobotomized...I could talk with a parrot and get the same information...

And I fear you will deliberately or otherwise miss my whole point (again), but I'll keep trying.

Think about it.

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its good to know that the bible informs us that Gods kingdom will put an end to manmade rulership and that is the whole theme of the bible..... Daniel 2;44 so what is important is Gods purpose and that is what i like to promote not my own thoughts . and yes it is GOODNEWS matthew 24;14 so i do get your point but i am focused on doing what the bible tells me . now is the time to make it known but many are in opposition.
 
its good to know that the bible informs us that Gods kingdom will put an end to manmade rulership and that is the whole theme of the bible..... Daniel 2;44 so what is important is Gods purpose and that is what i like to promote not my own thoughts . and yes it is GOODNEWS matthew 24;14 so i do get your point but i am focused on doing what the bible tells me . now is the time to make it known but many are in opposition.

No, you DON'T get it. What good is quoting the BIBLE if there is nothing personal to back up the quotes? Billy Graham (arguably one of the best orators and Pastors) always had a personal story to show how the Bible affected him and his life, and why we should pay heed to what it says because it could affect us as well. You act like a tape recorder...

Scripture means nothing, unless it has an affect on people's lives...that is how one's attention is caught and kept. That is how people begin to think of the word, and remember it, and by God, apply it to their own lives. That is how people start to pray...because maybe, just maybe, if God helped one, He'll consider helping another...

Without Love, Mee, without the personal touch, we're just gongs in the wind.
 
just a note pi, it can abe painful but theraputic to talk about our experiences(whether it be past relationships) it is one of the things that makes us human. Just my 2bobs worth.
 
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