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What is the prophecized 'second creation' , as shared within the Quran?
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I don't understand everything this passage is saying, however it says Arabic Q'uran is superior to translations. Each Muslim is clearly a living translation of the Q'uran, or they would always completely agree with each other. The original Q'uran is therefore a superior translation. A Muslim on the site has said the discernment of who is a real Muslim has something to do with chapter 2: The Cow.{39:28-31}M.M. Ali said:
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i can see that
which doesn't mean anything except that perhaps you could not read the thread title.
so both are proven; Muslims are not the Quran (living translations) otherwise there would not be secular differences of the belief
as well, WE ALL KNOW, that Muslims don't think alike
A question was asked about the quran and if YOUR version is so superior, then to answer the thread question should be easy:
What is the second creation as the quran mentions?
No haddith, no caliph additives................ what is the 2nd creation sharing to Muslims?
Hi Bishadi,
I think you might be reffering to this concept I heard of Islam; maybe if you post up the specific verse I can explain it better..., but [if I remember correctly] basically there exists a concept of 'second creation' in Islam and that is that when Allah demolishes this creation, on the last day, sometime there after Allah will re-create it.
It is said in Islam that the judgement day will take place on the plains of Arafat [in makkah?], thus once the earth is destroyed, later it will have to be created again for Judgement to take place there...
(if I remember correctly) When Allah destroys the world and every creature will die...; even the angels will die...untill there will be only a few major angels and Allah left alive
Allah will ask the angel of death, 'who is left'?, the angel of death will reply [Oh Allah], You, me [and he will mention a few names of the major angels], then Allah will command him to go fetch the 'soul' of another angel, and will continue to do so untill Allah will ask him 'who is left'? [Allah knows but asks anyway], the angel of death will reply, only You and me oh Allah', then Allah will say, "DIE ANGEL OF DEATH DIE!', and the angel of death will die, then only Allah will be left alive and nothing else, then Allah will say "WHO IS THE KING NOW!" [as many people on earth acted all haughty and many thought they were mighty kings], then Allah will re-create the world and bring all creatures back to life. [dont know how acurate this story is though, but thought it was interesting to mention
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Regarding the 'real Muslims', well every Muslim is a real one; but wether their rightly guided or not is another matter.
Basically, the main two groups in Islam are the Sunni's and the Shia's; the Sunni's are the mainstream Muslims as they are about 85-90 percent of the worlds muslims; the Shi'as are about 10-15 percent and there are other microcosmic sects.
The above view is a Sunni one however the shia's may share it too
Hope that helps
Sorry i couldn't tell you for sure, but maybe another br/sis can
Peace
I think you might be reffering to this concept I heard of Islam; maybe if you post up the specific verse I can explain it better..., but [if I remember correctly] basically there exists a concept of 'second creation' in Islam and that is that when Allah demolishes this creation, on the last day, sometime there after Allah will re-create it.
It is said in Islam that the judgement day will take place on the plains of Arafat [in makkah?], thus once the earth is destroyed, later it will have to be created again for Judgement to take place there...
(if I remember correctly) When Allah destroys the world and every creature will die...; even the angels will die...untill there will be only a few major angels and Allah left alive
Allah will ask the angel of death, 'who is left'?, the angel of death will reply [Oh Allah], You, me [and he will mention a few names of the major angels], then Allah will command him to go fetch the 'soul' of another angel, and will continue to do so untill Allah will ask him 'who is left'? [Allah knows but asks anyway], the angel of death will reply, only You and me oh Allah', then Allah will say, "DIE ANGEL OF DEATH DIE!', and the angel of death will die, then only Allah will be left alive and nothing else, then Allah will say "WHO IS THE KING NOW!" [as many people on earth acted all haughty and many thought they were mighty kings], then Allah will re-create the world and bring all creatures back to life. [dont know how acurate this story is though, but thought it was interesting to mention
]Regarding the 'real Muslims', well every Muslim is a real one; but wether their rightly guided or not is another matter.
Basically, the main two groups in Islam are the Sunni's and the Shia's; the Sunni's are the mainstream Muslims as they are about 85-90 percent of the worlds muslims; the Shi'as are about 10-15 percent and there are other microcosmic sects.
The above view is a Sunni one however the shia's may share it too
Hope that helps
Sorry i couldn't tell you for sure, but maybe another br/sis can
Peace
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The afterlife.
On that day We shall roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books.
As We originated the first creation, so We shall bring it forth again.
It is a promise (binding) upon Us. Truly We shall fulfill it (as We promised it).
21:104
As We originated the first creation, so We shall bring it forth again.
It is a promise (binding) upon Us. Truly We shall fulfill it (as We promised it).
21:104
Peace,
I have found some Scholarly interpretation which confirms basically what I've said...:
Everything that Allah created has a soul. Some of them fulfill the roles that Allah has set for them and do exactly what they were created to do.
This includes the plant and animal kingdoms, the mountains, seas and oceans, planets, stars, for example, as each of them worships Allah in their own way.
Allah will call upon the Angel of Death to take the lives of each of His creatures until there will be no one left but Allah and the Angel of Death.
[Every soul shall taste death] (Aal `Imran 3:185)
Allah will then take the angel's life and nothing will remain except Him. He will then call out, "To whom belongs all things this day?" There will, of course, be no one to answer. One way or another, there can be no one other than Allah to answer this question.
[The Day whereon they will (all) come forth: Not a single thing concerning them is hidden from Allah. Whose will be the dominion that Day?" That of Allah, the One, the Irresistible!] (Ghafir 40:16)
There being no one and nothing to answer, Allah will Himself answer by saying, "Allah, the One, the Irresistible." To Him belongs all things and to Him is the return.
I hope this was helpful to you.
Salam.
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I have found some Scholarly interpretation which confirms basically what I've said...:
Everything that Allah created has a soul. Some of them fulfill the roles that Allah has set for them and do exactly what they were created to do.
This includes the plant and animal kingdoms, the mountains, seas and oceans, planets, stars, for example, as each of them worships Allah in their own way.
Allah will call upon the Angel of Death to take the lives of each of His creatures until there will be no one left but Allah and the Angel of Death.
[Every soul shall taste death] (Aal `Imran 3:185)
Allah will then take the angel's life and nothing will remain except Him. He will then call out, "To whom belongs all things this day?" There will, of course, be no one to answer. One way or another, there can be no one other than Allah to answer this question.
[The Day whereon they will (all) come forth: Not a single thing concerning them is hidden from Allah. Whose will be the dominion that Day?" That of Allah, the One, the Irresistible!] (Ghafir 40:16)
There being no one and nothing to answer, Allah will Himself answer by saying, "Allah, the One, the Irresistible." To Him belongs all things and to Him is the return.
I hope this was helpful to you.
Salam.
And They Ask You Concerning the Soul… - Reading Islam.com - Ask About Islam
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and Peace to you.
ah... so there is a 'return'
Seems to suggest the old regimes will be 'destroyed' and the NEW will unfold. As well i remember something to the effect, that 'we the people' will be given the ability to 'equally' be capable of judging.
kind of like a 'revealing' as suggested by the 'other' teams of believers.
I thought so, but often a few think that last chapter is already written, which any honest person of any of the old texts can see within, that there is more to come and we should keep an eye open.
Peace
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The word or phrase meaning interpreted according to the text, which found in it .
see these verses of Our holy Quran..
50:15
YUSUFALI: Were We then weary with the first Creation, that they should be in confused doubt about a new Creation?
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10:4
To Him will be your return- of all of you. The promise of Allah is true and sure. It is He Who beginneth the process of creation, and repeateth it, that He may reward with justice those who believe and work righteousness; but those who reject Him will have draughts of boiling fluids, and a penalty grievous, because they did reject Him.
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10:34
Say: "Of your 'partners', can any originate creation and repeat it?" Say: "It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?"
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11:7
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!"
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13:5
If thou dost marvel (at their want of faith), strange is their saying: "When we are (actually) dust, shall we indeed then be in a creation renewed?" They are those who deny their Lord! They are those round whose necks will be yokes (of servitude): they will be Companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for aye)!
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17:[49-52]
49:They say: "What! when we are reduced to bones and dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new creation?"
50. Say: "(Nay!) be ye stones or iron,
51. "Or created matter which, in your minds, is hardest (to be raised up),- (Yet shall ye be raised up)!" then will they say: "Who will cause us to return?" Say: "He who created you first!" Then will they wag their heads towards thee, and say, "When will that be?" Say, "May be it will be quite soon! 52. "It will be on a Day when He will call you, and ye will answer (His call) with (words of) His praise, and ye will think that ye tarried but a little while!"
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17:[98-99]
98. That is their recompense, because they rejected Our signs, and said, "When we are reduced to bones and broken dust, should we really be raised up (to be) a new Creation?"
99. See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, has power to create the like of them (anew)? Only He has decreed a term appointed, of which there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude.
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20:55
From the (earth) did We create you, and into it shall We return you, and from it shall We bring you out once again
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21:[104-107]
104. The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfil it.
105. Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth."
106. Verily in this (Qur'an) is a Message for people who would (truly) worship Allah. 107. We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures
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25:3
Yet have they taken, besides him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection.
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26:184
"And fear Him Who created you and (who created) the generations before (you)"
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While I was looking for the afterlife or what it means the second creatures in the Holy Koran I found also these verses or text .. in Surat (Chapter 27)...
59. Say: Praise be to Allah, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen (for his Message). (Who) is better?- Allah or the false gods they associate (with Him)?
60. Or, Who has created the heavens and the earth, and Who sends you down rain from the sky? Yea, with it We cause to grow well-planted orchards full of beauty of delight: it is not in your power to cause the growth of the trees in them. (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Nay, they are a people who swerve from justice.
61. Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar between the two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah. Nay, most of them know not.
62. Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Little it is that ye heed!
63. Or, Who guides you through the depths of darkness on land and sea, and Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy? (Can there be another) god besides Allah.- High is Allah above what they associate with Him!
64. Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye are telling the truth!"
65. Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment).
66. Still less can their knowledge comprehend the Hereafter: Nay, they are in doubt and uncertainty thereanent; nay, they are blind thereunto!
67. The Unbelievers say: "What! when we become dust,- we and our fathers,- shall we really be raised (from the dead)?
68. "It is true we were promised this,- we and our fathers before (us): these are nothing but tales of the ancients."
69. Say: "Go ye through the earth and see what has been the end of those guilty (of sin)."
70. But grieve not over them, nor distress thyself because of their plots.
71. They also say: "When will this promise (come to pass)? (Say) if ye are truthful."
72. Say: "It may be that some of the events which ye wish to hasten on may be (close) in your pursuit!"
73. But verily thy Lord is full of grace to mankind: Yet most of them are ungrateful.
74. And verily thy Lord knoweth all that their hearts do hide. As well as all that they reveal. 75. Nor is there aught of the unseen, in heaven or earth, but is (recorded) in a clear record.
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This holy qoranic text explain the idea of the hereafter life or the second creation stage of mankind.
59. Say: Praise be to Allah, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen (for his Message). (Who) is better?- Allah or the false gods they associate (with Him)?
60. Or, Who has created the heavens and the earth, and Who sends you down rain from the sky? Yea, with it We cause to grow well-planted orchards full of beauty of delight: it is not in your power to cause the growth of the trees in them. (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Nay, they are a people who swerve from justice.
61. Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar between the two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah. Nay, most of them know not.
62. Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Little it is that ye heed!
63. Or, Who guides you through the depths of darkness on land and sea, and Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy? (Can there be another) god besides Allah.- High is Allah above what they associate with Him!
64. Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye are telling the truth!"
65. Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment).
66. Still less can their knowledge comprehend the Hereafter: Nay, they are in doubt and uncertainty thereanent; nay, they are blind thereunto!
67. The Unbelievers say: "What! when we become dust,- we and our fathers,- shall we really be raised (from the dead)?
68. "It is true we were promised this,- we and our fathers before (us): these are nothing but tales of the ancients."
69. Say: "Go ye through the earth and see what has been the end of those guilty (of sin)."
70. But grieve not over them, nor distress thyself because of their plots.
71. They also say: "When will this promise (come to pass)? (Say) if ye are truthful."
72. Say: "It may be that some of the events which ye wish to hasten on may be (close) in your pursuit!"
73. But verily thy Lord is full of grace to mankind: Yet most of them are ungrateful.
74. And verily thy Lord knoweth all that their hearts do hide. As well as all that they reveal. 75. Nor is there aught of the unseen, in heaven or earth, but is (recorded) in a clear record.
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This holy qoranic text explain the idea of the hereafter life or the second creation stage of mankind.
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Good stuff
as well there is also more
What i want to know, is do the teachings represent to you that a new chapter will unfold?
Not that any written today are NEW to Quran, but that the teachers, the believers, them truly humble to God; is the hope still alive that the NEW will be revealed?
as well there is also more
What i want to know, is do the teachings represent to you that a new chapter will unfold?
Not that any written today are NEW to Quran, but that the teachers, the believers, them truly humble to God; is the hope still alive that the NEW will be revealed?
There are other qoranic verses speaks about the second stage of the creatures ...I want to write them here
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19. See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.
20. Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.
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30:11
It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; then shall ye be brought back to Him.
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30:27
It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. To Him belongs the loftiest similitude (we can think of) in the heavens and the earth: for He is Exalted in Might, full of wisdom.
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30:40
It is Allah Who has created you: further, He has provided for your sustenance; then He will cause you to die; and again He will give you life. Are there any of your (false) "Partners" who can do any single one of these things? Glory to Him! and high is He above the partners they attribute (to him)!
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35:16
If He so pleased, He could blot you out and bring in a New Creation.
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78. And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation: He says, "Who can give life to (dry) bones and decomposed ones (at that)?"
79. Say, "He will give them life Who created them for the first time! for He is Well-versed in every kind of creation!-
80. "The same Who produces for you fire out of the green tree, when behold! ye kindle therewith (your own fires)!
81. "Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like thereof?" - Yea, indeed! for He is the Creator Supreme, of skill and knowledge (infinite)!
82. Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is! 83. So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back.
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I hope that the meanings of these verses are clear
Thanks
29:[19-20]
19. See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.
20. Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.
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30:11
It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; then shall ye be brought back to Him.
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30:27
It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. To Him belongs the loftiest similitude (we can think of) in the heavens and the earth: for He is Exalted in Might, full of wisdom.
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30:40
It is Allah Who has created you: further, He has provided for your sustenance; then He will cause you to die; and again He will give you life. Are there any of your (false) "Partners" who can do any single one of these things? Glory to Him! and high is He above the partners they attribute (to him)!
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35:16
If He so pleased, He could blot you out and bring in a New Creation.
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36[78-83]
78. And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own (origin and) Creation: He says, "Who can give life to (dry) bones and decomposed ones (at that)?"
79. Say, "He will give them life Who created them for the first time! for He is Well-versed in every kind of creation!-
80. "The same Who produces for you fire out of the green tree, when behold! ye kindle therewith (your own fires)!
81. "Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like thereof?" - Yea, indeed! for He is the Creator Supreme, of skill and knowledge (infinite)!
82. Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is! 83. So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back.
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I hope that the meanings of these verses are clear
Thanks
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Is it possible to explain to us the idea of your question?? ... Once again.
Brother of Peace............... always to a seeking mind!
007.169 After them succeeded an (evil) generation: They inherited the Book, but they chose (for themselves) the vanities of this world, saying (for excuse): "(Everything) will be forgiven us." (Even so), if similar vanities came their way, they would (again) seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them, that they would not ascribe to Allah anything but the truth? and they study what is in the Book. But best for the righteous is the home in the Hereafter. Will ye not understand?
021.30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
036.068 If We grant long life to any, We cause him to be reversed in nature: Will they not then understand?
036.069 We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for him: this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear
036.070 That it may give admonition to any (who are) alive, and that the charge may be proved against those who reject (Truth).
053.047 That He hath promised a Second Creation (Raising of the Dead);
069.050 But truly (Revelation) is a cause of sorrow for the Unbelievers.
069.051 But verily it is Truth of assured certainty.
It appears that the Day of Judgment and Second Creation (revealing the ‘absolute’ and final truth) are pointing at a day to come.
That the ‘revealing’ itself is still left incomplete awaiting the Days.
This is noted in that the neither Days of Judgment, nor are your fathers ‘raised’ (to your knowledge).
The thread is to see if the teachings of this ‘truth’ are alive within each Muslim?!?!
Truth is found in each line above, seek and you can find the beginning being born, once again!
Remember the ‘absolute’ had not been revealed to the earth, but as promised, that day will come. (the Second Creation)
I think I now understood the idea of your question
Some of the sufis believe the idea of born, once again! or (reincarnation) which taken from the beliefs of other non-Islamic thought.
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I think I now understood the idea of your question
Some of the sufis believe the idea of born, once again! or (reincarnation) which taken from the beliefs of other non-Islamic thought.
Nope!
just noting what all the religious texts share, even quran; the last word is yet to come.
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That sounds equivalent to saying English translations have no value, yet I am able to purchase them in the store. They are heavily footnoted English translation opposite Arabic on the very same page. Between two different English translations there are differences, yet they are considered translations. The Arabic is taken as superior but the various translations are still considered of value, or are they? Maybe they are not really considered usable.Bishadi said:
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I don't know how to speak arabic, I only can read the translation,
and it works fine. If you want to get into the details, then you dont
just need to be a speaker of arabic, you need to be an EXPERT in arabic.
But that is the case with the bible too. I mean, you really do need
to be an expert in aramaic (not even latin) if you really wanna examine
the details of the language.
The best thing to do is to use this site, it has the three major translations of each verse in the Quran together in one simple site:
CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts
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my comment was based on this
what they mean is all that matters
chanting is the zoroaster flare to the beliefs
me quite aware of the quran, its beginning, its changes as well the works, meanings and purpose
this thread is asking if any real Muslims are aware of the next chapter to come
seems you lost
words are words
what they mean is all that matters
chanting is the zoroaster flare to the beliefs
me quite aware of the quran, its beginning, its changes as well the works, meanings and purpose
this thread is asking if any real Muslims are aware of the next chapter to come
If you mean something like reincarnation...you can find it in other religions like Hinduism and Confucianism... not in Quran or real Islam.
Some of the sufis affected by the east religions thought.
Some of the sufis affected by the east religions thought.