what is you definition of sin ?

[soleil10]

Here is mine. What is yours ?

"Sin is any thought or action (that violates the heavenly law of God's love) and makes a base for satan to have give and take with me.

Sin is the condition that I make that allows satan to set up his sovereignty over me. Through sin, I come more and more into satan's territory.

God intervenes upon our good conditions. Satan "invades" upon our bad conditions taking us prisoner as slaves to sin.

 

[Dondi]

I think we give Satan too much credit. We make addicts of ourselves. I, for one, do not believe that Satan has sovereignty over humans, for then we have someone else to blame our woes. As Flip Wilson, as Geraldine, used to say, "The Devil made me buy this dress!" No, you own desires made you buy that dress (see James 1).

The trick is to turn God's desires into your own, and that takes obedience and submission to His Word.

 

[GlorytoGod]

is anal sex a sin ?

 

[soleil10]

I think we give Satan too much credit. We make addicts of ourselves. I, for one, do not believe that Satan has sovereignty over humans, for then we have someone else to blame our woes. As Flip Wilson, as Geraldine, used to say, "The Devil made me buy this dress!" No, you own desires made you buy that dress (see James 1).

Man is in the middle way position. We have dual masters. At the human fall A&E voluntarily surrendered their authority to Lucifer. The order was changed through this bad condition. When we make a good condition we become closer to God, when we make a bad one (sin), we come closer to Satan.

God must send the Messiah as a new sinless Adam to deal with the original sin.
We have to take responsibility with or own sins, our family sins, our national sins etc....

The trick is to turn God's desires into your own, and that takes obedience and submission to His Word.

I agree.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Here is mine. What is yours ?

"Sin is any thought or action (that violates the heavenly law of God's love) and makes a base for satan to have give and take with me.

Sin is the condition that I make that allows satan to set up his sovereignty over me. Through sin, I come more and more into satan's territory.

God intervenes upon our good conditions. Satan "invades" upon our bad conditions taking us prisoner as slaves to sin.

Sin is an archers term for missing the mark. G-d has given us a target, and that target is life, and having that life in abundance. Anything that causes harm to self, or to others would be considered sin, and this would include our attitudes, just as it includes our actions.

Love [IMO] is the root of salvation. When we learn from, and allow love to guide our actions and attitudes, we are ultimately in the will of G-d, and centering the target He has placed before us.

I worry less on thoughts, and the idea of satan, then I do acting on those thoughts, and thinking satan is somehow greater than my resolve to know G-d, and my desire to live according to His will.

GK

 

[Netti-Netti]

This topic comes up from time to time. It's really important.

this would include our attitudes, just as it includes our actions.

It would include our thoughts and intentions as well.

I know the Church makes distinction between sins of commission and sins of omission. I suspect the latter are much more pervasive and insidious.

I'd say seeking a substitute for purpose has the potential to be "off the path."

 

[Gatekeeper]

This topic comes up from time to time. It's really important.


It would include our thoughts and intentions as well.

I know the Church makes distinction between sins of commission and sins of omission. I suspect the latter are much more pervasive and insidious.

I'd say seeking a substitute for purpose has the potential to be "off the path."

If our thoughts are in fact a sin, then I suspect we are all in a world of hurt, lol. I'm not sure we can control what we think initially, but we can certainly refrain from acting on those thoughts. Thought are simply thoughts, and cause no harm unless they are entertained and acted upon. I think the trick is realizing, and being mindful of our thought processes, and then replacing the negative thoughts with something positive. I do however believe that our intentions matter. If a person has ill intentions then whatever they do will be done out of a sinful desire.

GK

 

[Faithfulservant]

sin is direct and indirect disobedience to God. We sin without even knowing it.

 

[Marsh]

sin is direct and indirect disobedience to God. We sin without even knowing it.

Well.... no, I don't think we sin if we do something we don't know is wrong, just like I don't think we should take credit for doing good things by accident. I think Jesus makes it very clear that it's the intention of the heart that is important, and not the act. So the adulterer and the one who entertains fantasies about their neighbour's husband and wife both have the same intent, yeah? To me, sin is knowing what's right and then consciously choosing not to do it.

Man is in the middle way position. We have dual masters. At the human fall A&E voluntarily surrendered their authority to Lucifer. The order was changed through this bad condition. When we make a good condition we become closer to God, when we make a bad one (sin), we come closer to Satan.

No way, Soleil. Nobody can serve two masters; either you're with God, or you're not. People who believe in God don't become servants of Satan when they sin; they simply become momentarily unfaithful servants of God. That bad feeling that I get in the pit of my stomach when I do something wrong testifies to this, because if I was serving Satan I wouldn't have that feeling.

Dondi is right on the mark: People are tempted when they give into their own desires, just as James said in his letter.

See that, Faithful? I told you that I hadn't disregarded the Epistles completely!

is anal sex a sin ?

Do you feel like you've done something wrong afterwards?

 

[Quahom1]

Here is mine. What is yours ?

"Sin is any thought or action (that violates the heavenly law of God's love) and makes a base for satan to have give and take with me.

Sin is the condition that I make that allows satan to set up his sovereignty over me. Through sin, I come more and more into satan's territory.

God intervenes upon our good conditions. Satan "invades" upon our bad conditions taking us prisoner as slaves to sin.

Being out of balance with God...

 

[Quahom1]

is anal sex a sin ?

Is it with your spouse and mutually consentual?

 

[Gatekeeper]

Being out of balance with God...

Are you suggesting 'harmony', then? If so, I agree, but in order to be in harmony i think we need to understand what that means. Care to give your view?

Nice to see you are still around, Q. It has been a while ...

Blessings

GK

 

[Netti-Netti]

If our thoughts are in fact a sin, then I suspect we are all in a world of hurt, lol.

Depending on your theology, we are in a world of hurt.

Thought are simply thoughts, and cause no harm unless they are entertained and acted upon.

I think thoughts have an effect on our well-being even when we don't act on them. They pervade our being and affect our environment.

I think the trick is realizing, and being mindful of our thought processes, and then replacing the negative thoughts with something positive. I do however believe that our intentions matter.

I agree mostly. I would say our thoughts lead up to intentions.

If a person has ill intentions then whatever they do will be done out of a sinful desire.

This seems a bit circuitous.

 

[Quahom1]

Are you suggesting 'harmony', then? If so, I agree, but in order to be in harmony i think we need to understand what that means. Care to give your view?

Nice to see you are still around, Q. It has been a while ...

Blessings

GK

Sure. If I do something for my own benefit, but to the detriment of another, I am out of balance. And since what ever I do to one, I do to the Lord, I am accountable. Therefore if I do to one that which is detrimental, I do to the Lord, hence, I am out of balance, and sin...

 

[Gatekeeper]

Sure. If I do something for my own benefit, but to the detriment of another, I am out of balance. And since what ever I do to one, I do to the Lord, I am accountable. Therefore if I do to one that which is detrimental, I do to the Lord, hence, I am out of balance, and sin...

Nice! I agree completely, but find it hard at times to remain in harmony, as I tend to be a bit selfish.

Thanks,

GK

 

[Netti-Netti]

Sure. If I do something for my own benefit, but to the detriment of another, I am out of balance.

This concept of sin emphasizes social morality. I personally believe that a lot of sin actually has little immediate impact or recognizable impact on others.

And since what ever I do to one, I do to the Lord, I am accountable.

I'm with you there, especially if I include myself in the general category of "one."

 

[Gatekeeper]

Depending on your theology, we are in a world of hurt.

I think thoughts have an effect on our well-being even when we don't act on them. They pervade our being and affect our environment.

I agree mostly. I would say our thoughts lead up to intentions.

This seems a bit circuitous.

Well, if our thoughts effect our well being, then I'd say we are in fact in a world of hurt. Theology has nothing to do with it, Netti. I don't think G-d punishes us for our sins. We simply reap what we sow. (A broken rule, a consequence) Call it karma, or whater you view it to be ... It's all the same in the end. [IMO] We just have our different view regarding the reality of this principle/law.

GK

 

[Faithfulservant]

Well.... no, I don't think we sin if we do something we don't know is wrong, just like I don't think we should take credit for doing good things by accident. I think Jesus makes it very clear that it's the intention of the heart that is important, and not the act. So the adulterer and the one who entertains fantasies about their neighbour's husband and wife both have the same intent, yeah? To me, sin is knowing what's right and then consciously choosing not to do it.

Because we disagree lets take it to scripture

Sin comes from the Greek word hamartia meaning literally, "missing the mark."

In addition, we have commands that we know we never keep, much less on a daily basis. For instance, who can claim to love God with all his heart, mind and soul every moment of every day? No one. Yet, that is the greatest commandment Matthew 22:36-38.

This is a daily sin for Christians lol

and also

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" Psalm 51:5 .

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

BTW Im not a He Im a She... I read you reference me as a he and I thought to let you know

 

[soleil10]

No way, Soleil. Nobody can serve two masters; either you're with God, or you're not. People who believe in God don't become servants of Satan when they sin; they simply become momentarily unfaithful servants of God. That bad feeling that I get in the pit of my stomach when I do something wrong testifies to this, because if I was serving Satan I wouldn't have that feeling.

Yes, we should have only one master and we cant serve two masters well.
Because of the human, fall both God and Satan want to claim us. God is not the one who surrendered our authority to Lucifer. We did it volunterily

If you look at the state of the world, Satan appears to be incharge. It is easier to be bad and selfish and promiscuous.

 

[greymare]

is anal sex a sin ?

Strewth, GTG, where did that come from???