Religion and Bigotry is their a link ?

[Out of the Box]

Too bad there can't be any real dialog between camps.

There can be. It just requires both sides to be openminded and show respect to the other side.

Unfortunately, I find especially liberals to be rarely willing to. Even with the liberals among my closest friends some topics remain taboo.

 

[GlorytoGod]

I'm of the opinion that in some ways faith requires you to switch of your rational mind and if you have some dodgy theology then that can lead to one becoming bigoted and intolerant.

BTW I am speaking hypothetically here and in no way am I even slightly bigoted myself

 

[17th Angel]

I thought all you did was to accuse all Muslims of being fascists?




By the way, the word is spelled "Muslims".

mate... people (usually) that use that word for muslims... Don't bother picking them up on it Cause most of them do it to get a kick knowing it to be offensive to many muslims.

 

[Out of the Box]

I'm of the opinion that in some ways faith requires you to switch of your rational mind and if you have some dodgy theology then that can lead to one becoming bigoted and intolerant.

True. However, this is not limited to religion but also to other viewpoints. As soon as people take something for granted and believe it dogmatically, they're prone to bigotry.

BTW I am speaking hypothetically here and in no way am I even slightly bigoted myself

Out of 100 people who think they are openminded, less than 5 usually are.

 

[17th Angel]

Out of 100 people who think they are openminded, less than 5 usually are.

o mai lulz!!! Says who? You? Ok then, take that for gospel....

 

[GlorytoGod]

True. However, this is not limited to religion but also to other viewpoints. As soon as people take something for granted and believe it dogmatically, they're prone to bigotry.

other view points, are any of these based on faith ?

 

[citizenzen]

Out of 100 people who think they are openminded, less than 5 usually are.

I'm assuming you count yourself as one of those five.

 

[17th Angel]

lol Zen, I was also feeling a tadge of deja vu with that post.....

 

[Out of the Box]

other view points, are any of these based on faith ?

Define faith.

I'm assuming you count yourself as one of those five.

I would like to believe I am one of those five, but I'm not arrogant enough to proclaim I am.

 

[citizenzen]

ar·ro·gance
Pronunciation:
\ˈer-ə-gən(t)s, ˈa-rə-\
Function:
noun
Date:
14th century
: an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions




If the shoe fits...

Say... nice shoes Out.

 

[GlorytoGod]

Define faith.

define "define"

 

[Out of the Box]

define "define"

 

[seattlegal]

Is the grandstanding over yet? Can we talk now?

 

[Netti-Netti]

It has struck me that many religious fundamentalist seem to be extremly bigoted.

Is their a link between belief and bigotry, is there something about faith that can cause individuals to be bigoted ?

It appears that religious fundamentalism rather than religion per se is a predictor of bigoted attitudes. At least, that's what I'd conclude based on research findings that fundamentalists of various religions affiliations tend to be intolerant/rejecting/and hostile toward an outgroup.

I suspect cultural experience and socioeconomics may be more important than religious doctrine or religious affiliation in the formation of bigoted social attitudes.

 

[Out of the Box]

It appears that religious fundamentalism rather than religion per se is a predictor of bigoted attitudes. At least, that's what I'd conclude based on research findings that fundamentalists of various religions affiliations tend to be intolerant/rejecting/and hostile toward an outgroup.

Any dogmatic belief system will do, whether it's religious or political, conservative or liberal.

I suspect cultural experience and socioeconomics may be more important than religious doctrine or religious affiliation in the formation of bigoted social attitudes.

In most (it not all) cases, it's probably nothing but man's instinctive tendency to reject that which doesn't fit in his Weltanschauung and to consider those holding such views as a threat.

 

[seattlegal]

Any dogmatic belief system will do, whether it's religious or political, conservative or liberal.



In most (it not all) cases, it's probably nothing but man's instinctive tendency to reject that which doesn't fit in his Weltanschauung and to consider those holding such views as a threat.

You mean people tend to lose their minds if confronted with something that doesn't fit into their preferred system of categorization? Well, what do you expect? If they habitually let their paradigm/system of categorization limit their thinking, then being confronted by something that breaches that paradigm might affect their mind in a way like the opening of Pandora's box?

 

[Netti-Netti]

In most (it not all) cases, it's probably nothing but man's instinctive tendency to reject that which doesn't fit in his Weltanschauung and to consider those holding such views as a threat.

Or maybe it's just a preferences for a simple world view....

Extremists on both the right and the left tended to rely on a few broad principles, reject inconsistent evidence and have little tolerance for alternative views.
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Somewhere I saw mention of a tendency to ideologically resort to "simplifying distortions ."

 

[Out of the Box]

Or maybe it's just a preferences for a simple world view....

So everyone who doesn't agree with the majority of whatever worldview you're holding just must be a simpleton, he? Is that what you're implying here.

Somewhere I saw mention of a tendency to ideologically resort to "simplifying distortions ."

Is that what you're trying to do, here?

 

[Netti-Netti]

Pema Chodron wrote:

... I see that a lot of us are just running around in circles pretending that there's ground where there actually isn't any ground. And that somehow, if we could learn to not be afraid of groundlessness, not be afraid of insecurity and uncertainty, it would be calling on an inner strength that would allow us to be open and free and loving and compassionate in any situation. But as long as we keep trying to scramble to get ground under our feet and avoid this uneasy feeling of groundlessness and insecurity and uncertainty and ambiguity and paradox, any of that, then the wars will continue. The racial prejudice will continue. The hatred against people of a different -- you don't agree with their sexual preferences. You don't agree with their religion. You don't agree with their skin color. You don't agree with their whatever, you know? Their politics. It will always continue because you can't avoid being triggered
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The term Pema Chodron uses is "hookable." My hunch is that folks with bigoted attitudes are very hookable because they haven't come to terms with being perpetually at risk of being triggered on account of their preferences and biases

These folks are prone to hookable because they're attached to their idea of what the world should be like. They want the world to be a better match to their preferences and biases. One way to hopefully achieve a better match is scapegoating (attributing their own flaws to others through projection-denial), by being authoritarian/condescending toward those they're presumably competing with (this makes them feel more in control and superior), and by making all cultural variation go away - if not by nationalistic/militaristic means - then at least making a persistent effort to demean and marginalize people who who are identified with the Outgroup in order to minimize their threat value.

These attempts to demean others are probably fairly common among ontologically insecure people in general. But I think they're intensified among folks who have little tolerance for ambiguity and impermanence because they're not in touch with their own inner strength.

In short, I would think that fear of fear stemming from attachment to existence would lead to bigoted attitudes, closed-mindedness, and a strong need to be right.

 

[Out of the Box]

These folks prone to hookable because they are attached to their idea of what the world should be like. They want the world to be a better match to their preferences and biases. One way to hopefully achieve a better match is scapegoating (attributing their own flaws to others through projection-denial), by being authoritarian/condescending toward those they're presumably competing with (this makes them feel more in control and superior), and by making all cultural variation go away - if not by nationalistic/militaristic means - then at least making a persistent effort to demean/marginalize/"disarm" people who who are identified with the Outgroup in order to minimize their threat value.

These attempts to demean others are probably fairly common among ontologically insecure people in general. But I think they're intensified among folks who have little tolerance for ambiguity and impermanence because they are not in touch with their own inner strength. In short, I would think that fear of fear stemming from attachment to existence would lead to bigoted attitudes, closed-mindedness, and a strong need to be right.

You couldn't give a better description of European liberals