Is the Christian God the same as the Muslim God?

[citizenzen]

you have not wasted my time. I appreciate someone who can stay on topic but the only clarity i see in your conversation more than once now, is, that everyone has the same god, (i.e.Christian God is the same as the Muslim God) and I say they are not the same. I don't need to clarify any of that.

But how do you address the question of omniscience? Can there be two Gods that are both infinite and omniscient?

The Bible said God created the Heaven and the Earth. Are there two Heavens and two Earths?

All I'm trying to do here is reconcile how there can be two (or more) Gods. Please be patient with me as I'll probably need a few more answers from someone.

 

[Bandit]

you can make the bible mean anything you want it to mean. maybe not all the gods are omniscience and some of them are. I dont know and I doubt that anyone really knows.

 

[GlorytoGod]

there are christians and chaldeans who disagree.

ok

invisible text
invisible text
invisible text

 

[citizenzen]

you can make the bible mean anything you want it to mean. maybe not all the gods are omniscience and some of them are. I dont know and I doubt that anyone really knows.

Fair enough. I don't think anybody knows what it really means either. I'm trying to using language and reference points that are well established in the hope of describing the indescribable.

Thank you for your perspective.

 

[spiritual learner]

Netti Netti I love the photo you chose of the flower reflected in the water

 

[spiritual learner]

Netti Netti the flower speaks to me "there is God and we reflect His nature"

 

[spiritual learner]

Again, in case this was not received....I know I can not begin a thread, but can I suggest one? Do believers feel it is important to ACT in this world? Do they think God needs His people to DO something in this world to make it better? Are we trapped and made powerless by our concepts? Are we all awaiting the big "rescue" "on the clouds"? Shall we just sit and pray while this world goes to (blank)?

 

[citizenzen]

Do believers feel it is important to ACT in this world? Do they think God needs His people to DO something in this world to make it better? Are we trapped and made powerless by our concepts? Are we all awaiting the big "rescue" "on the clouds"? Shall we just sit and pray while this world goes to (blank)?

There is nothing that needs to be done, only things we choose to do.

Considering that the world has gone to (blank) due to human acts, perhaps a little more inactivity is just what the doctor ordered.

 

[Netti-Netti]

I believe that Jesus Christ is my saviour; Muslims believe he was just a prophet, and Jews believe that he was a false prophet. How can we possibly find common ground-- the kind where we could get together and worship God fully and completely?

I wanted to free associate with this a bit. You're raising an interesting point: assuming there are significant differences in the Christian/Muslim G-d concept, does it matter as far as religious practice? Could it be a difference that makes no difference?

... I'm not a Muslim, so I can't speak for Islam. And I'm not Jewish, so I can't speak for Judaism. I was raised a Catholic and I don't recall a single sermon telling us that practicing Catholics were supposed to worship Jesus. In fact, Jesus was rarely mentioned at all.

If Jesus was supposed to be such an important issue differentiating Christian religious views from nonChristian, you'd think the Church would emphasize Jesus' importance more. But again, in the course of my Catholic upbringing we were never told to worship Jesus. The Church never said to worship the Holy spirit or the Trinity, either. A differentiated G-d concept apparently was not seen as important to worshiping G-d "fully and completely."

Postmaster wrote: "you come to a forum like this to find answers and you only make more questions and your original questions are still left unanswered." To which Juantoo3 responded: "The more I learn, the less I know!" I think the key to saving time on a forum like this is to make a determination about relevance. As far as a differentiated G-d concept (i.e., Trinitarian doctrine), I personally think it's interesting and kind of helpful. But it seems Jesus and his divinity didn't matter enough for the Church to deliver an occasional sermon about him. If Jesus doesn't really matter to the Church, why would a differentiated G-d concept matter to anyone else?

I don't think Church theologians spend a lot of time thinking about whether the Christian G-d is the same as the Muslim G-d, either. I may be wrong about that. Is there an official church position? Is there an official "Christian" position on the so-called "Muslim G-d"? Whose position would be considered here? The Pope's? Billy Graham's? Pat Robertson's? James Dobson's?

 

[Bandit]

I

I was raised a Catholic and I don't recall a single sermon telling us that practicing Catholics were supposed to worship Jesus. In fact, Jesus was rarely mentioned at all.

I did not know that. Interesting.
I never knew what catholic was until much later in life. For a short while I thought they were the same thing as me. It was not until much later like just a couple of years ago I began to realize that the catholic jesus is not the same jesus that I know, just like the jesus in other religions is not the same.

I don't think Church theologians spend a lot of time thinking about whether the Christian G-d is the same as the Muslim G-d, either. I may be wrong about that.

They don't. I doubt that most of them even care. Once in awhile maybe.

 

[wil]

Thank you for your experience Netti...

Most Catholics I know grew up without a bible, I understand that is changing in the church. They grew up with the Catechism, read portions of scripture they were told to read, learned to recite various portions and prayers and hit the call and response pieces in unison.

I knew that Mary was a focus, I didn't know they didn't learn a lot about Jesus. I hear from a variety of Christians their church upbringing told them the life and teachings of Moses and some history of Jesus.

I more tend to focus on the history of Moses and the life and teachings of Jesus. Although in the past learning more about Moses has been part of my studies. Worshipping Jesus or Mary, now that is another matter, I don't see where that was at all his intent.

 

[Dream]

I was raised a Catholic and I don't recall a single sermon telling us that practicing Catholics were supposed to worship Jesus. In fact, Jesus was rarely mentioned at all.

Interesting! I was reared a charismatic, and we used 'Jesus' and 'God' interchangeably in our prayers. Southern Baptist Association member churches have a tendency to do it as well.

assuming there are significant differences in the Christian/Muslim G-d concept, does it matter as far as religious practice? Could it be a difference that makes no difference?

It is not the religious bowing and praying that makes the biggest difference. It is different, but that is not the issue.

Muslims and Christians can and do worship together, its just that Muslims are supposed to further Islam in such situations. Islam is submission to Allah, not an interfaith thing; so Muslims may not treat it as such. Christians also may have a sense of responsibility for unbelievers, and they often see Muslims as un-saved. Both Muslims and Christians tend to have a burden to 'Save' each other. Muslims are supposed to make their interactions further Islam. Muslims who do not do this tend to feel guilty about it. Many Christians are the same way. Worshiping together does not really feel like you are worshiping with someone but more like you are on a sales floor either as salesperson or customer.

Another issue is that Christians don't like the killing and subjugation which are permitted or perhaps encouraged by Q'uran for encouraging folks to convert. Muslims don't always do it, but it is an option they have. Ideally, Christians (and others) either convert to Islam or are placed in a situation which encourages them to submit. There are verses in Q'uran that talk about it, also in the Hadeeth. It does not have to make sense but is just part of submission, so many Muslims feel required to participate in it. Since it is part of submission, it seems like it is also part of their worship practices.

 

[Bandit]

It is not the religious bowing and praying that makes the biggest difference. It is different, but that is not the issue.

oh yah. I forgot about it. that god has a requirement that you MUST pray 5 times a day to it and make certain postures to it. this is an obligation as the only thing they will have at the end between them and the god. that is what one muslim told me. i dont know if someone just made that up or if their god really tells them to do that. my god is different & does not make that obligation of 5 times with postures. I asked them about this one time and I asked if I could only pray to their god one time a day if the god would accept me and they said no.

i think that god does have exceptions if circumstances don't allow you to make every prayer every day. this is just what some muslims have said & maybe different muslims have a different god than that one. not sure and don't really care.

and another thing is, one hindu I know personally makes certain postures to his god. one posture is a half headstand. my god has no posture requirements but sometimes it comes natural for me to raise my arms like hugging but is not required. I just like it.

 

[Dream]

and another thing is, one hindu I know personally makes certain postures to his god. one posture is a half headstand. my god has no posture requirements but sometimes it comes natural for me to raise my arms like hugging but is not required. I just like it.

What does Hindu have to do with it? I think Hindu are busy with various deities which are unrelated to each other, and they do not see 'God' in nature in the same sense as Abrahamic religion. For an Abrahamic all things are related, all powers are connected. I do not understand the information you are trying to get across, perhaps because I do not know Hinduism.

 

[Bandit]

What does Hindu have to do with it? I think Hindu are busy with various deities which are unrelated to each other, and they do not see 'God' in nature in the same sense as Abrahamic religion. For an Abrahamic all things are related, all powers are connected. I do not understand the information you are trying to get across, perhaps because I do not know Hinduism.

you brought up the difference in the prayers & said it does not matter & I elaborated on it showing it does. that part you ignored.
muslim prayers led to posture and posture led to hindusim. I dont know why you would ignore the other part of my post which was the main part anyway, if you were going to comment on it.

the posture and amounts of prayers as requirements is what i am getting across. & ...that they are not the same gods.

It is not the religious bowing and praying that makes the biggest difference. It is different, but that is not the issue.

if you know the islam god then you know this is not accurate.

 

[citizenzen]

my god has no posture requirements but sometimes it comes natural for me to raise my arms like hugging but is not required. I just like it.

Your God — and I'm assuming that you're Christian. Please correct me if I'm mistaken — requires that you accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

Every religion requires something from its followers.

 

[Bandit]

Your God — and I'm assuming that you're Christian. Please correct me if I'm mistaken — requires that you accept Jesus Christ as your savior.

Every religion requires something from its followers.

you are mistaken. please do not label me as a christian. I reject it & have rejected it for quite some time. i do not need that title to have Christ.

 

[Bandit]

hey citizenzen. i will be back here some time in april/mayish and we can talk about this again then if you want. I do have some questions for you then, to think on as well that you may appreciate.
L8r

 

[citizenzen]

hey citizenzen. i will be back here some time in april/mayish and we can talk about this again then if you want. I do have some questions for you then, to think on as well that you may appreciate.
L8r

We'll see you then. Sorry about the mistaken label. I wouldn't want to be associated with that group either, the ruffians!

 

[Dream]

Bandit, I read your entire post and did not ignore it. Please don't take offense, because it makes it very difficult to ask questions. I still don't understand exactly, but I'm not going to ask. I don't want to offend you. My post was not meant to ignore your point or to be obnoxious.