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I am a Christian and do not think Gandhi is burning in hell (did you know he vehememently refused being called Mahatma?) note nor do I believe in hell other than that of human creation.Christians think that Mahatma Gandhi (one of the greatest people of the last century), who chose not to follow Jesus, is burning in Hell at this very moment.
This Forum gives us a chance to point out how anti-ecumenical Christianity really is, so this Forum serves a good purpose.
Gandhi is one of the most respected leaders of modern history. A Hindu, Ghandi nevertheless admired Jesus and often quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, "Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"
Ghandi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.
However, some members have their own personal agendas and try and inject that into the forums.
No, thru putting on the mind of Christ.Wil,
Do you think that Jesus is the only way to Heaven?
I know many Hindus and Hindu priests who believe in Jesus Christ, who have his picture on their walls and in their temples. I don't know about him.Do you agree that Gandhi chose not to accept Jesus as his personal savior? (I am begining to wonder if you think he did. I suppose this issue is up to a person's personal interpretation.)
I don't know anything regarding existence past this one. I believe he was probably close to his last incarnation, he could be my neighbor or yours or be posting here as HolySmoke.Where do you think Gandhi is right now, or what he is doing?
I don't believe in a physical place of fire and brimstone and souls greiving forever, but again I have no personal knowledge of existence past this one. I do believe two people can be in the exact same situation and one percieive to be in hell and one in heaven (the kid that finished his book report last week and the one that hasn't read the book sitting at their desks as the teachers asks them to get out their papers and read them to the class)It is fascinating that I believe in Hell while you, a Christian, do not. Is this some kind of reverse synchronicity...?![]()
Christ understood I and the father are one. Once we do, once we completely understand that, I believe we are ready for the next class.If a person believes that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus, then I don't see how such a person could be ecumenical. I guess it depends on one's defintion of the word ecumenical. (Such a definition is key to this thread.) Feel free to share your definition.
Wil,
Do you think that Jesus is the only way to Heaven?
Where do you think Gandhi is right now, or what he is doing?
It is fascinating that I believe in Hell while you, a Christian, do not. Is this some kind of reverse synchronicity...?![]()
If a person believes that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus, then I don't see how such a person could be ecumenical. I guess it depends on one's defintion of the word ecumenical. (Such a definition is key to this thread.) Feel free to share your definition.
1: worldwide or general in extent, influence, or application2 a: of, relating to, or representing the whole of a body of churches b: promoting or tending toward worldwide Christian unity or cooperation
G'wan Nick! never miss a chance to pump out the old propaganda! Lord, we Catholics must have you guys running scared!Even Thomas and the Pope have clearly spoken out against ecumenicalism.
Please be precise. I assume you mean some fundamentalist outfits? Not us Catholics, that's for sure.Christians think that Mahatma Gandhi (one of the greatest people of the last century), who chose not to follow Jesus, is burning in Hell at this very moment.
For a thinking man, you do talk utterly superstitious nonsense at times.Christians must accept the fact that their philosophy condemns Gandhi so fiercely.
No, you are usurping this forum to punt your tired old propaganda, which is a bad purpose, and shame on you. But it's your karma, not mine.This Forum gives us a chance to point out how anti-ecumenical Christianity really is, so this Forum serves a good purpose.
Romans 6:23 says that eternal life is through Christ Jesus. Also, Acts 4:12 says "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Sounds like a pretty exclusive arrangement.I just wanted to say that thinking Christ is the only way to the Father says nothing about Heaven or a need to accept Jesus as personal savior.
“No one comes to the Father if not through me.” (John 14:6) ok, so I looked up the term "way" in the Greek Lexicon. The passage in John ("I am the way, the Truth, and the Life). The Greek term for way is "Hodos." The passage in question has been interpreted as indicating a particularizing claim (e.g., there's no other means to salvation). Interestingly, in the New American Standard Bible, use of the term Hodos apparently makes no distinction about singular or plural: "highways, journey, path, paths, road, roads, streets, way, ways."...I believe it is going through the Christ (that is, walking through that union of divinity and humanity)
I accuse you of creating a forum where folks can openly discuss ideas. And putting into place a system where by a group of people largely unknown to you regulate and moderate so the majority can enjoy or whine at will, yet gnats and mosquitos are discouraged or eliminated.
I accuse you of spending an inordinate amount of time, effort, money in creating and maintaining the above and thank you for it.
Then if you don't have the time, energy, money or wherwithal to create your own or find something better...and those lasting interfaith friendships are gone...then you'll have to deal with the likes of us.And I accuse you of being a toady. If Brian cannot accept criticism of his forum then I think he needs to let it go to those who can. I started a forum once because I found so many of these internet forums are run by heavily biased individuals or groups but found I didn't have the money or interest actually to promote my site and very few found it and joined. When a glitch happened so that I couldn't access my own forum administration and I couldn't get help fixing the problem from the free forum people, (Simple Machines Forum) I let it go. But I still want to be part of a forum to express my opinions and thereby warp other minds to my own ideology, like all the rest of you.
I do desire to see some forum ownership that isn't heavily biased but maybe that's like asking for the moon. It seems those who start these forums have a strong tendency to be control freaks who want to control other peoples communication of their ideas and who will not tolerate others criticizing their forum management methods or forum ideologies. I guess I just miss the old Lycos boards which were the very best ones ever--censorship was done only to the very obvious hate and slander posts and Lycos people formed lasting friendships for years after the Lycos forums closed down. I think these lasting friendships evolved naturally because members could post their real beliefs without fear of monitor or forum owner interference. I was about the only Gnostic Christian poster in the Lycos Christianity boards and when I first started posting of course traditional Christians there jumped all over my heretical views. But you know what? After about 3 months of getting to know each others beliefs we all started accepting the fact that dispite major differences our common ethics held us together so that in the end we had made strong friendships between Evangelicals, Catholics, an Israeli Jew, and two muslims. Now that was to me real interfaith forum dialogue because it was arrived at without any sort of compulsion to squelch our differences.
Romans 6:23 says that eternal life is through Christ Jesus. Also, Acts 4:12 says "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Sounds like a pretty exclusive arrangement.
Moreover, the metaphorical definition of the term is given as "a course of conduct" and "a way (i.e. manner) of thinking, feeling, deciding." If Christ Jesus is seen as the embodiment of a realization of sanctity, then the statement "I am the way" could be interpreted to mean that "an attitude of faith/love/obedience is the way."
And I accuse you of being a toady.
You miss the point that JPII made. Many paths lead to truth, and regardless of what path one takes to find truth, one will ultimately stand before Christ, and have to acknowledge that revelation...just a matter of time...then that would be one way.
I've never thought PJII to be this disengenous, I could be wrong. If you are correct his interfaith adventures were not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help me.....
Why just the other day while he was subtly deriding a post I had just made I thought to myself "Sheesh! Who peed in your cornflakes?" But of course I thought better of actually saying anything about it, you know just in case someone really had.
In retrospect, this is really a sloppy attempt to find Biblical support for an exclusivist view on Christ Jesus' stature. Why would one automatically assume that "eternal life" should be equated with "Salvation" ?Romans 6:23 says that eternal life is through Christ Jesus. Also, Acts 4:12 says "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
Now why would God want to pee in your cornflakes? That would do absolutely no good for your complexion...After reading your post I thought to myself...
God must have peed in my cornflakes.
But of course I thought better of actually saying anything about it. I wouldn't want to offend the Christians here. They can be really touchy.
Now why would God want to pee in your cornflakes? That would do absolutely no good for your complexion...