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straitgatesheep
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Greetings to all.
The Apostle said that THE LORD (Jesus)
is only known by revelation by the Spirit of God.
1 Cor.2
[1] Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren,
I would not have you ignorant.
[2] Ye know that ye were Gentiles, >> (were new learners)
carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
[3] Wherefore I give you (knowledge) to understand,
that no man (Israelite or Gentile)
speaking (led) by the Spirit of God (the Father) calls Jesus accursed:
and that no man can say (for sure)
that Jesus is >> THE LORD, but by the Holy Ghost.
When an Israelite, anointed Apostles, says that Jesus is THE LORD
he means something different from what we were, as Gentiles, were told.
Someone needs the GREAT Gift of God.
The gift is gotten through correct approach to Jesus
who gives us the Gift that is from the Father.
Diligently and unbiasly seek and you will find, as guaranteed by THE LORD.
The Apostles had the Word for our times.
Read their writings, for instruction, knowledge, corection....
We can share also and help each other, like others do.
A family affair.
As predicted: We shall be >> liked minded << in this matter.
Sometimes the Status Quo is wrong.
Jesus faced the same circumsances with the Status Quo.
Things repeat.
Now it is our turn.
Hindsight is on our side.
God gave us reasoning >>>
Hoping for all.
The Apostle said that THE LORD (Jesus)
is only known by revelation by the Spirit of God.
1 Cor.2
[1] Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren,
I would not have you ignorant.
[2] Ye know that ye were Gentiles, >> (were new learners)
carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
[3] Wherefore I give you (knowledge) to understand,
that no man (Israelite or Gentile)
speaking (led) by the Spirit of God (the Father) calls Jesus accursed:
and that no man can say (for sure)
that Jesus is >> THE LORD, but by the Holy Ghost.
When an Israelite, anointed Apostles, says that Jesus is THE LORD
he means something different from what we were, as Gentiles, were told.
Someone needs the GREAT Gift of God.
The gift is gotten through correct approach to Jesus
who gives us the Gift that is from the Father.
Diligently and unbiasly seek and you will find, as guaranteed by THE LORD.
The Apostles had the Word for our times.
Read their writings, for instruction, knowledge, corection....
We can share also and help each other, like others do.
A family affair.
As predicted: We shall be >> liked minded << in this matter.
Sometimes the Status Quo is wrong.
Jesus faced the same circumsances with the Status Quo.
Things repeat.
Now it is our turn.
Hindsight is on our side.
God gave us reasoning >>>
Hoping for all.
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It is not necessary for Jesus to have pre-existed. The confession of faith requires for Jesus to be the Son of God. He is the only human being who has lived or will live without sin. He is also the only human being that received God's spirit without measure (fully), which was necessary to live a life without sin. Why must people insist on more than this? Jesus is now at God's right hand waiting for the one God to send him back to this earth for a 1000 year reign. After this reign when death is defeated and all are "as the angels," the one God returns to this earth
The whole point is that Jesus did preexist. When a divine , angelic being, incarnated into the human egg its prehumen self descends into the egg after they condense. The prehumen self is much bigger and made up of light that is spread out so is compacts and then is sealed into the egg. A miracle event no doubt. Then at birth it is identified again as being a preexisting divine being again by a literal miracle event. The body of a divine being will at times throughout the life be the subject of miracles that occur to the body. One example is the holy spirit at jesus baptism. Its a series of miracles that identify the body as being a preexistent divine being.
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rainautumn4
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*Jesus said He does the will of He who sent Him
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same but separate. The Holy Spirit is in us. Jesus is the son or a human manifestation of God because he is identical to Him in nature however He is still God’s son therefore He is not God but another version of Him. He has His own individual personality yet He and God are one. He was sent here as a representation of the fathers love for us... to die for our sins… and thus redeem us so that we too may become one with the father through Him (the Holy Spirit).
The three are one*
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same but separate. The Holy Spirit is in us. Jesus is the son or a human manifestation of God because he is identical to Him in nature however He is still God’s son therefore He is not God but another version of Him. He has His own individual personality yet He and God are one. He was sent here as a representation of the fathers love for us... to die for our sins… and thus redeem us so that we too may become one with the father through Him (the Holy Spirit).
The three are one*
Then jesus being the firstborn would be Michael the Archangel. Who else besides god would have incarnated. If you disagree then tell me who you think Jesus is.
Numbers 23:19 : God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
in this verse god confirm that he is not a man, so when god make a statement about himself it's eternal there is no change so you can't say Jesus is god because Jesus was a man.
first great commandment :
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
my question is why god didn't mention the trinity in his first commandment is it's was his true nature why god is trying to confuse us ?
in this verse god confirm that he is not a man, so when god make a statement about himself it's eternal there is no change so you can't say Jesus is god because Jesus was a man.
first great commandment :
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
my question is why god didn't mention the trinity in his first commandment is it's was his true nature why god is trying to confuse us ?
Gordian Knot
Being Deviant IS My Art.
Hi Rain,
Welcome. As this is one of your first posts, please note what I have to say is not aimed at your comments specifically. Rather it is a general comment on how Christianity has jumped through hoops for generations trying to pretend the Christian pantheon is really just one God.
Many of the samples you point out I have heard many times.
A. The three are the same. But separate. But the three are one.
B. Jesus is the son or a human manifestation of God because he is identical to Him in nature however He is still God’s son therefore He is not God.
C. [Jesus] has His own individual personality yet He and God are one.
D. Jesus is God's son therefore he is not God, yet he and God are one.
Were this not religious in nature, try passing this off as logic to a professor of logic. One would be laughed out of the room. But because it is religious in nature, it gets a special pass. Should it? Not to my way of thinking. It is gibberish and circular reasoning.
Now there are deeper teachings that try to pass this conundrum off by using fancier words. Such as the supposed hypostatic union. In which philosophical concepts are created and then used to form a structure of logic for the illogical.
I am not mocking anyone's belief structure here. I do understand that to Christians these patterns seem completely sensible and indeed logical.
Not being a Christian myself; looking on the outside in, it is difficult for me to accept any of this reasoning very seriously.
Er, no you wouldn't.
The term was in the Greek philosophical lexicon before the Christians used it.
I'm not asking you to accept Christ, but I am suggesting that the declaration that the Trinity, or hypostatic union is illogical, is illogical!
It does turn on what definitions you're working to, I'll give you that. Some of the definitions of Trinity I've seen here are totally illogical!
Gordian Knot
Being Deviant IS My Art.
It would be illogical for me to think that what I find illogical would be illogical so logically speaking, I can only conclude that you're logic is illogical asking me to be logical.
I am willing to admit, though, that maybe, just maybe, I might be wrong.
I am willing to admit, though, that maybe, just maybe, I might be wrong.
Yep, that's a lotta, lotta logic ... but actually makes sense to me!
God bless you GK, that's a lesson we should all bear in mind.I am willing to admit, though, that maybe, just maybe, I might be wrong.
Jesus really is Michael look at Daniel 12
Hi Paradoxe –
You have to read it in the context of the narrative.
Balac, the King of Moab, sends for Balaam to curse Israel. Balaam does not curse Isreal, but Balaam blesses her. Balac berates Balaam for not cursing Isreal, and that's when Balaam makes his reply:
God is not a man (like Balac), that he should lie ... " and finishes: "... I was brought to bless, the blessing I am not able to hinder."
This is because God has blessed Isreal, and will not lie nor go back on His word, as man does.
The Doctrine of the Trinity is founded on the Hebrew understanding of God, and the data contained in the New Testament of Christ's declaration of His own Divine nature, and that the Holy Spirit as 'another' (cf John 14:17, 15:26, 16:13).
This is from the Hebrew Scriptures.
You have to read it in the context of the narrative.
Balac, the King of Moab, sends for Balaam to curse Israel. Balaam does not curse Isreal, but Balaam blesses her. Balac berates Balaam for not cursing Isreal, and that's when Balaam makes his reply:
God is not a man (like Balac), that he should lie ... " and finishes: "... I was brought to bless, the blessing I am not able to hinder."
This is because God has blessed Isreal, and will not lie nor go back on His word, as man does.
Who can fathom the nature of God? It is beyond our comprehension.
The Doctrine of the Trinity is founded on the Hebrew understanding of God, and the data contained in the New Testament of Christ's declaration of His own Divine nature, and that the Holy Spirit as 'another' (cf John 14:17, 15:26, 16:13).
You are admitting that god is not a man ! Like Balac or Jesus or anyone God is unique and jesus did change his mind quoting : John 7:8 : "Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
John 7:10 : "But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret."
If your reasoning was right the Hebrews will believe in the trinity to, the thing is that Christians read the Torah by the lens of new testament and trinity concept wasn't based on the torah it's was based on the Greek mythology and philosophy and trinity concept was before the Christianity religion it's was a common metaphysical concept about god among the romans at that times. you should check the trinity history.
God is a man and man was created in his image.
I admit no such thing. I do profess that Our Lord is both God and man.
Doubtful, as the Trinity is disclosed in the New Testament writings, which the Jews do not hold as revelation.
The philosophers of the Early Church were Platonists, not mythologists, and Plato and his followers rejected the mythologies of Olympus.
Are you sure, because I don't see it?
Perhaps you could supply a reference to the Roman concepts?