Your God/Goddess

Hermes said:
I thought Luciferianism would pick Lucifer as your "master"? But what do I know...(I mean I know very little of your path...)
-Hermes
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Nah, we don't believe in a Lucifer . . . lol (confusing, I know!)
 
Hermes said:
So where/why the name Lucifer? Just to piss off some people (usually Christians?) :)
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The Word Lucifer is used as a Principle, as an archetype for us.


[FONT=&quot]- from Lucipedia[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Lucifer the Principle of gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge. A Luciferian symbolizes progress and intellectual inquiry, it through the Luciferian Aeon that humanity first climbed down from the trees and it has represented the flow of progress ever since.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Yet, Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light! A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] The Luciferic Archetype is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. "Every man and woman is a star" as Crowley proclaimed - and we all have our own Inner Light.[/FONT]
 
Lucifer "was" an Angel of a high statue...yes, I too take it more as a Principle not a real person - just like Jesus should be taken as such, the Christos as the Christ principle....
Etu Malku said:
The Word Lucifer is used as a Principle, as an archetype for us.


[FONT=&quot]- from Lucipedia[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lucifer the Principle of gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge. A Luciferian symbolizes progress and intellectual inquiry, it through the Luciferian Aeon that humanity first climbed down from the trees and it has represented the flow of progress ever since.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yet, Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light! A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Luciferic Archetype is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. "Every man and woman is a star" as Crowley proclaimed - and we all have our own Inner Light.[/FONT]
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Etu Malku said:
The LHP and particularly Luciferianism states we are to evolve to the God(dess) Within through the assistance of our Higher Self/Dæmon who is one step above us spiritually.
Once we have evolved to the point where our Dæmon Is God then we are directly in touch with our GodSelf.
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has anyone actually achieved this ?
 
Hermes said:
Supposedly there are a few, Mahatmas, avatars call them what you will, Masters...Jesus? What do you think he was? Buddha? Mohamed? Vishnu etc etc?
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Jesus perhaps, but the others I don't see as LHP, they all absolved their Selves into the Universe, surrendered their ego to another, atoned to a god other than their own.
 
Hermes said:
Supposedly there are a few, Mahatmas, avatars call them what you will, Masters...Jesus? What do you think he was? Buddha? Mohamed? Vishnu etc etc?
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Jesus and Buddha seem to have been pretty amazing and their legacy lives on somehow despite them never having written anything down. whether they became Gods I dont know, Budha was a man, Christ Jesus accorinding to Christianity literally was God is that the same as being a God ? dunno

mohameds teaching seemed to have survived but he seems to have been more a skilled politician and a master of using fear to manipulate and control others. so i would not put him in same category as Jesus and Budha.

Who is Vishnu ?
 
NiceCupOfTea said:
Jesus and Buddha seem to have been pretty amazing and their legacy lives on somehow despite them never having written anything down. whether they became Gods I dont know, Budha was a man, Christ Jesus accorinding to Christianity literally was God is that the same as being a God ? dunno

mohameds teaching seemed to have survived but he seems to have been more a skilled politician and a master of using fear to manipulate and control others. so i would not put him in same category as Jesus and Budha.

Who is Vishnu ?
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I don't believe Yeshua the Nazarene was any god physically manifest, but I do believe He traveled to Egypt and India to study their religions and philosophies and was trying to impart this Knowledge to His disciples. But who know . . . like you said, nothing exists that He actually wrote.
 
Of course not he was not God; No he was a circumcised Jewish carpenter, at first. He had 7 initiations, the 7th being the crucifixion (the 3rd was his temptation in the desert, the 4th was his baptism and I am loosing track of the rest). The word is that you pass the 7th, and you are in, it is like graduation.
The tenets of the Ancient Wisdom says there is always someone more spiritually advanced then yourself. Having said this; where is the upper limit of spiritual advancement? Nirvana? That is a made up thing. In my mind the upper limit is a near God state, where anything and everything is possible, the next step is becoming one with Oneness, the infinite state of God's which the Christian's refer as "heaven".
Etu Malku said:
I don't believe Yeshua the Nazarene was any god physically manifest, but I do believe He traveled to Egypt and India to study their religions and philosophies and was trying to impart this Knowledge to His disciples. But who know . . . like you said, nothing exists that He actually wrote.
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Etu Malku said:
Hard to say, you wouldn't be here on the physical by then ;)
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Like Enoch, who was "nowhere to be found?"

Hermes said:
Supposedly there are a few, Mahatmas, avatars call them what you will, Masters...Jesus? What do you think he was? Buddha? Mohamed? Vishnu etc etc?
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Etu Malku said:
Jesus perhaps, but the others I don't see as LHP, they all absolved their Selves into the Universe, surrendered their ego to another, atoned to a god other than their own.
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Whom did Buddha surrender his ego to? In fact he, much like Enoch, is/was "nowhere to be found" consciousness-wise--what his consciousness is based upon could not be traced even while he was physical. See the Water Snake Simile:


"And how is a monk a noble one with banner lowered, burden placed down, unfettered? There is the case where a monk's conceit 'I am' is abandoned, its root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. This is how a monk is a noble one with banner lowered, burden placed down, unfettered.
"And when the devas, together with Indra, the Brahmas, & Pajapati, search for the monk whose mind is thus released, they cannot find that 'The consciousness of the one truly gone (tathagata) is dependent on this.' Why is that? The one truly gone is untraceable even in the here & now.
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This whole sutta is excellent in describing this:
Yamaka Sutta

"And so, my friend Yamaka — when you can't pin down the Tathagata as a truth or reality even in the present life — is it proper for you to declare, 'As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death'?"

"Previously, my friend Sariputta, I did foolishly hold that evil supposition. But now, having heard your explanation of the Dhamma, I have abandoned that evil supposition, and have broken through to the Dhamma."
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Etu Malku said:
I don't believe Yeshua the Nazarene was any god physically manifest, but I do believe He traveled to Egypt and India to study their religions and philosophies and was trying to impart this Knowledge to His disciples. But who know . . . like you said, nothing exists that He actually wrote.
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...and also wound up "nowhere to be found," no?
 
Hermes said:
Of course not he was not God; No he was a circumcised Jewish carpenter, at first. He had 7 initiations, the 7th being the crucifixion (the 3rd was his temptation in the desert, the 4th was his baptism and I am loosing track of the rest). The word is that you pass the 7th, and you are in, it is like graduation.
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Small point: he was baptized first, then he went into the wilderness for 40 days and was tempted.
The tenets of the Ancient Wisdom says there is always someone more spiritually advanced then yourself. Having said this; where is the upper limit of spiritual advancement? Nirvana? That is a made up thing. In my mind the upper limit is a near God state, where anything and everything is possible, the next step is becoming one with Oneness, the infinite state of God's which the Christian's refer as "heaven".
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Acintita Sutta

"There are these four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them. Which four?
"The Buddha-range of the Buddhas[1] is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it. ;)
"The jhana-range of a person in jhana...[2]
"The [precise working out of the] results of kamma...
"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.
"These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them."
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I always mix up my New Catechism :) yes, of course you are right...
But careful examination of these things points out the esoteric wisdom of the Bible (well Jesus's life). The seven initiations goes back way before Jesus, to Egyptian/Chaldean times or even before that....too bad preachers do not tell you these things....:p
seattlegal said:
Small point: he was baptized first, then he went into the wilderness for 40 days and was tempted.

Acintita Sutta

"There are these four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them. Which four?
"The Buddha-range of the Buddhas[1] is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it. ;)
"The jhana-range of a person in jhana...[2]
"The [precise working out of the] results of kamma...
"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it.
"These are the four unconjecturables that are not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about them."
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NiceCupOfTea said:
Who is Vishnu ?
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Vishnu was a comparatively minor Aryan God, one of the 8/10/12 sons of God Mother Aditi. Vishnu means one who covers all. I am told that in Serbia, they had their Supreme God as Vishnyi with the same meaning. When some of the Aryans reached India and were assimilated in hinduism, Vishnu gained great importance and became the preserver and one of the hindu trinity (Brahma being the creator and Shiva being the destroyer. Kindly note that this is not the only belief in hinduism. Worshipers of Lord Vishnu are known as Vaishnavas and constitute the majority in hinduism). In the process of assimilation, Vishnu became the the source of 'avataras'. The list includes Buddha as the ninth 'avatara'. The others were in the form of Fish, Tortoise, Boar, Man-lion, Vamana the Dwarf, Parashuram the hot-headed, Rama the cool one, and Krishna the mischievous. The tenth would appear at the end of this age after 427,000 years and that would be Kali.
 
Hermes said:
In my mind the upper limit is a near God state, where anything and everything is possible, the next step is becoming one with Oneness, the infinite state of God's which the Christian's refer as "heaven".
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Well, I am an atheist hindu :))), so no God. I understand 'nirvana' to be a state when no question remain, when one understands all things and is at peace with the world.
seattlegal said:
Whom did Buddha surrender his ego to?
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One does not need to surrender his/her ego to anyone. One has to decimate it. :)
 
seattlegal said:
Whom did Buddha surrender his ego to?
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Buddha says if you surrender the ego, if you surrender yourself, you come in a harmony with the law and everything starts happening on its own. You have but to surrender. If you are ready to disappear, you will be full of the law and the law will take care.

This Law is the Objective Universe, what most refer to as God. Buddha surrendered his Ego to the Laws of the Objective Universe.
 
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