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I've mentioned before here that my wife is a physical empath. Empaths are folks who somehow tap into others' emotional or physical states and, consequently, feel what they feel. In my wife's case, that means for years she will experience some physical symptoms and ultimately discover that that symptom corresponded to something another person close to her was experiencing. So, for intstance, years ago when her father had broken his back-lived hundreds of miles away and we did not know it, she began to have pain in exactly the same area of her back as his. Well, hadn't been checking my blood pressure in some months-take medication for it-so when she checked her blood pressure a few days ago and found it high, asked me to check mine-high and within a few points of hers. Been checking mine regularly since then and she'll check hers right after mine and the readings remain within a few points of each other. Checked mine this am and it was down. She checked hers right after and again within a few points of mine. Well for the folks who are into measuring, numbers don't lie though causation is an open, interesting matter. But find the "empathic blood pressure" thing fascinating and somewhat amusing. Hope I don't kill the poor gal.:D earl
 
We are all empaths, but the majority of people have their perceptual reducing valve turned way way down, or shut off altogether.
This explains the heart of stone vs. the heart of flesh metaphor of the NT.
Those who have been "reborn" (meaning "awakened") will find that they are now able to feel what others feel in many ways which they had no clue about while they were in the "heart of stone" phase (meaning ungerminated consciousness).
Theology according to Shawn.
 
earl said:
Hope I don't kill the poor gal.:D earl
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Lord knows, high blood pressure and back pain are such rare conditions that it would be highly unlikely for two people to share either of those conditions. :rolleyes:

Sorry, Earl. There are too many plausible explanations to your story that you choose to overlook.

Now I understand that when it involves your wife, the best thing to do is to say, "Yes, dear, you certainly are an empath, would you like a back rub?"

But for the rest of us who don't have to face the wrath of your better-half, a healthy dose of skepticism is the best medicine.
 
citizenzen said:
Lord knows, high blood pressure and back pain are such rare conditions that it would be highly unlikely for two people to share either of those conditions. :rolleyes:

Sorry, Earl. There are too many plausible explanations to your story that you choose to overlook.

Now I understand that when it involves your wife, the best thing to do is to say, "Yes, dear, you certainly are an empath, would you like a back rub?"

But for the rest of us who don't have to face the wrath of your better-half, a healthy dose of skepticism is the best medicine.
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OK, CZ-you Taoish fellow, explain the blood presure readings being essentially identical.:p earl
 
earl said:
OK, CZ-you Taoish fellow, explain the blood presure readings being essentially identical.:p earl
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You both eat the same food.

You both are of similar age.

You both enjoy similar amounts of activity and exercise.
 
High Blood Pressure Statistics

High blood pressure (hypertension) killed 57,356 people in the United States in 2005.

About 73.6 million people in the United States age 20 and older have high blood pressure.

One in three adults has high blood pressure.
 
citizenzen said:
You both eat the same food.

You both are of similar age.

You both enjoy similar amounts of activity and exercise.
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2 out of 3 wrong. But I'm talking about nearly identical numbers that track each other up and down. If the merely conventional was occurring you wouldn't expect 2 folks to always be in synch with those numbers through the course of a day over a number of days. So, keep throwing out the conventional guesses CZ.:p earl
 
earl said:
2 out of 3 wrong. But I'm talking about nearly identical numbers that track each other up and down. If the merely conventional was occurring you wouldn't expect 2 folks to always be in synch with those numbers through the course of a day over a number of days. So, keep throwing out the conventional guesses CZ.:p earl
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Earl, what did your doctor say when you told him of this incredible synchronicity? Did his jaw drop to the ground? Did he rush out of the room shouting, "My God! Call JAMA and tell them we have a new cover story!"

What did your doctor say, Earl?
 
well my cardiologist does want me to come in again since the blood pressure isn't sufficiently controlled. However, don't think I'll inform him of the reason I've been checking it twice per day after months of not checking it-i.e., my wife cluing me in.:) earl
 
earl said:
However, don't think I'll inform him of the reason I've been checking it twice per day after months of not checking it-i.e., my wife cluing me in.:) earl
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Don't you think that might be a good place to start?

I'm telling you... you might be missing out on a JAMA cover shot here.

Not to mention Empath Monthly.
 
citizenzen, earl is sharing a spiritual belief - while no one expects anyone else to agree specifically, it's an interesting topic, and would be a shame if you were to simply try and put someone down for their beliefs regarding a situation you yourself are not privy to full information on.
 
Brian we are not privy to full information either. Earl has a tendency to look at such questions through his own inimitable credulousness. So I think CZ is absolutely justified in highlighting that the two examples cited, back pain and high blood pressure, are so common as to be unfit to use as examples. I believe people can be empathic and even take on the symptoms of those they are concerned about. Science knows that placebos work. I think the two kind of related. The ability of the brain to effect changes in health is not in dispute. But if you really want to understand why it is simply not good enough to look at it from a spiritual perspective. I think that has to be said and that is precisely what CZ was saying.
 
OK..here is an example where I don't understand why we have to look at this from just a scientific POV. Earl is sharing a personal experience that has both scientific and spiritual dimensions. I experienced my daughter's pregnancy symptoms for the first 3 months she was pregnant from morning sickness and vomiting to extreme fatigue (all gone now and believe me, I hated being pregnant.) And we are not the same age; eat the same food or do the same activity. I see this as an empathic experience as well. Of course, I really don't know the entire history between Tao and earl but why does CZ need to be so sarcastic?

Not everyone is looking for an argument for the sake of arguing.
 
Janz said:
OK..here is an example where I don't understand why we have to look at this from just a scientific POV.
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It does not just have to be from a scientific point of view. Anybody can post. And you did but only partially to Earl.

Not everyone is looking for an argument for the sake of arguing.
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That is a valid argument. I do not always post because I want to argue for the sake of arguing. So there we need not argue....we can agree!
 
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What is wrong with you peoples? I am one voice. I post what I post. You want diversity of viewpoints, then POST THEM!

Brian, I assure you that I am not "simply trying to put earl down". I believe if you read my posts you'll find them quite full of logical questions pertinent to the subject. Had I only wanted to put earl down, I would have written simply, "Earl, you are a dookie-head."

Oops... there goes that sarcasm again.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand...

While earl is sharing a spiritual belief, he roots it in very tangible and measurable ways. If he had said that his wife can spin straw into gold, you wouldn't simply accept it on belief alone. While proving empathic ability may not be as profitable as straw transforming into gold, it would be ground-breaking on so many levels. It would be one of the greatest discoveries in history.

So you'll have to excuse me if I ask earl why he hasn't taken even the simplest steps to prove his extraordinary claim.

It seemed the rational thing to do.
 
citizenzen said:
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If he had said that his wife can spin straw into gold, you wouldn't simply accept it on belief alone. While proving empathic ability may not be as profitable as straw transforming into gold, it would be ground-breaking on so many levels. It would be one of the greatest discoveries in history.
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Interesting analogy, CZ, on a recent parallel thread, weren't you considering some of the issues around "alchemy" in Eastern belief. Isn't alchemy related to creating gold from other substances :D ?
 
Avi said:
Interesting analogy, CZ, on a recent parallel thread, weren't you considering some of the issues around "alchemy" in Eastern belief. Isn't alchemy related to creating gold from other substances :D ?
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Yeah... I've always been a BIG advocate of alchemy. :rolleyes:
 
citizenzen said:
So you'll have to excuse me if I ask earl why he hasn't taken even the simplest steps to prove his extraordinary claim.
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That's exactly the point - it says "Interfaith.org" above the door - not "Science.org". :)

Actually, it could be interesting to raise the subject of physical empathy from a science point of view, because it's often stated that women's menstrual cycles will often sync when in regular company.

That's quite a huge change, not least because we're talking about a major and complicated system of hormonal regulation - that can apparently be changed just by being in close social contact with other women.

When you read earl's statement, rather than challenging him to "prove it", the surprise is really that it's not considered more ordinary.

Cynicism can be a handy defence and perfectly decent natural reaction - but cynicism by itself values nothing, as Oscar Wilde noted.
 
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