The hairy tickle belief of GK

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So ... I've been called a heretic - Again! Let me explain ...

I believe that Jesus was the Word of God manifest (Revealed) in human flesh. He was the epitome of love (God "Who is love" represented by man or "God in Flesh"). In light of this view I often read John 1:1-4 in like manner:

"In the beginning was Love, and Love was with God, and Love was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Love; and without Love was not any thing made that was made. In him (Love) was life; and the life was the light of men" ....

And Love was made flesh (In Jesus) and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14 (KJV)

Jesus was the light of the world or rather Love in flesh (Born of The Father by His Spirit, which is the "Logos" (The divine representation, and/or essence of God Himself, i.e "Love").

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life (Love maybe?). John 8:12 (KJV)

We follow Jesus by doing as He did, which can be summed up in these words, "Not my will, but thy will be done". God wills us through His Spirit (The Logos) to love one another as Jesus did.

It is God's Spirit of Love (Logo's) that bears witness of God "In us". Love is witness that we have been born again of His Spirit (Logos), and made new in Christ/His likeness.

It is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

Yes ... I'm a love dove & I suppose a heretic to boot!! So what? Love is better than delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol. Like seriously, it's the stuff dreams are made of (Heaven too).

Not much to discuss really ... I just wanted to share my hairy tickle views. :D

James
 
I don't find anything heretical your post, GK.

If God is love (I John 4:8).

And Jesus is God (Phil. 2:5-6)

Then Jesus is Love.

If Jesus is the Word (John 1:1,14),

Then the Word is Love.

Logical.
 
Glad someone agrees with me, lol. Although I'm pretty sure we have different views of Phil. 2:5-6

Blessings, Dondi ...
 
lol, Saltmeister ... Surely not!! I think that there is no such thing as a heretic (Unless one speaks against that which they know to be true. There are only the misguided, which I am certain to be one of when it comes to my entire theology. No one is entirely right on all points after all, cept you Salt!

Hehe, just fueling your egocentric side, bro!! :D
 
To me the word heretic often means are willing to contemplate and think for yourself, and question those that wish to think for you...wear it as a badge of honor.
 
wil said:
To me the word heretic often means are willing to contemplate and think for yourself, and question those that wish to think for you...wear it as a badge of honor.
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I agree, my views are far from the norm, which is probably why I am accused of being a heretic so often. Then there are some who look past the differences and focus on that which we have in common.

To give you an example of how I differ from most:

I maintain that the Logo's is the divine expression (Spirit) of our Creator and that it was manifest in Jesus during His ministry, whereby He became the light of the world. I differ from the Trin's in that I don't believe Jesus was God. I Differ from many others in that I don't believe there is a difference between the Logos (Divine expression of God) and the Spirit.

We can look at Jesus' "conception" by the Holy Spirit, and then parallel it to the Logos "becoming flesh" in Him. Same event ... Different terminology. Also, if we look at the parable of the sower in Luke, we find that the Word (Logos) is a seed. I believe that seed is the Spirit of God.

I maintain that the Logos wasn't actually God Himself, but rather the "divine expression" (Essence) of the Father, which is the "Holy Spirit". I think It is telling how be become "born" of the Holy Spirit, and How Jesus used the term "Seed" to describe the Logos. God's Seed, the (Logo's/Holy Spirit) is "planted" in hearts of man, so we too might become the sons and daughters of God.

Christianity (Too me) isn't about believing that Jesus was God Himself; it is about being made new by allowing God to cultivate His Seed in us, whereby we become brothers in Christ, and sons and daughters of God Himself.
 
Gatekeeper said:
I maintain that the Logo's is the divine expression (Spirit) of our Creator and that it was manifest in Jesus during His ministry, whereby He became the light of the world. I differ from the Trin's in that I don't believe Jesus was God. I Differ from many others in that I don't believe there is a difference between the Logos (Divine expression of God) and the Spirit.
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See and I believe where Jesus said, Don't your own scripture's say we are all G!d? He was pointing at the truth. The new agers got it right we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I think we are G!d expressed, Jesus, born human figured it out.
 
wil said:
See and I believe where Jesus said, Don't your own scripture's say we are all G!d? He was pointing at the truth. The new agers got it right we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I think we are G!d expressed, Jesus, born human figured it out.
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Can't say that I disagree, as the term god in that passage is theo's, which can mean "god-like". I disagree that we are actually Gods (As God is defined), but we "are" god's in the same way Jesus was a god (Born of the Father who is Spirit) . Jesus was certainly "God like", as He was born of God's Spirit, i.e Logo's (Word).

Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken...

John 10:34-35 (KJV)

Are we not sons and daughters of God ourselves, those who are born of the Spirit (Word) which is God's seed, whereby "we" become "god's" (God-like) ourselves, created (Reborn) in the image of Christ?

James
 
wil said:
Be still and know that I am G!d.
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Ego obsessed ... or more to digest ... I guess ... It could be in jest ... If so I digress ... Yes, yes ... I must impress ... Upon this mess ... that a test ... Has been pressed ... so you might be blessed. :D

The way I see it, is we are each being cultivated in Spirit (By God). We can resist, or let Him work in us His will. Many people are caught up in the thorns, and I can't say that I've not choked on a few myself. Particulary when it comes to lottery tickets. I'm such a naughty boy when it comes to those heckin things, so much so that my heart drops when I don't win, at which point I curse ... Sometimes at God, or is it you that I am cursing :confused:
 
Gatekeeper said:
I maintain that the Logos wasn't actually God Himself, but rather the "divine expression" (Essence)
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You completely misunderstand the theological use of "essence" (ousion, to use the term favored by the Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils.) A things "essence" can be described as "that which makes something uniquely itself and no other thing". That is, God is God because God (and only God) has the Essence of God. However, the ousia can be expressed in more than one hypostasia ("person"). Thus, The ousia of God exists in the hypostasia of the Father, who is the eternal fountainhead of Deity, the Son, who is eternally begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit, who eternally proceeds from the Father. But all partake of the fundamental "Godness" of "being God"--the "essence"--equally.


"born" of the Holy Spirit, and How Jesus used the term "Seed" to describe the Logos.
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I don't recall specifically when He did this explicitly. You cannot be referring to the parable of the mustard seed, since that was not a reference to the Logos, and the parable of the sower was also not a reference to the Logos.


God's Seed, the (Logo's/Holy Spirit) is "planted" in hearts of man, so we too might become the sons and daughters of God.
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In the East, that concept is known as the "Image of God", and it is mentioned in Genesis.
 
Dogbrain said:
You completely misunderstand the theological use of "essence" (ousion, to use the term favored by the Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils.) A things "essence" can be described as "that which makes something uniquely itself and no other thing". That is, God is God because God (and only God) has the Essence of God.
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Perhaps your theologians make it more complicated than it really is...

Essence:

1. The intrinsic or indispensable properties that serve to characterize or identify something.
2. The most important ingredient; the crucial element.
3. The inherent, unchanging nature of a thing or class of things

However, the ousia can be expressed in more than one hypostasia ("person"). Thus, The ousia of God exists in the hypostasia of the Father, who is the eternal fountainhead of Deity, the Son, who is eternally begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit, who eternally proceeds from the Father. But all partake of the fundamental "Godness" of "being God"--the "essence"--equally.
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See what I mean?

I don't recall specifically when He did this explicitly. You cannot be referring to the parable of the mustard seed, since that was not a reference to the Logos, and the parable of the sower was also not a reference to the Logos.
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5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. 6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. 8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold

Luke 8:5-8 (KJV)


11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Luke 8:11-15 (KJV)

In the East, that concept is known as the "Image of God", and it is mentioned in Genesis.
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Can you elaborate a bit?

GK
 
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