Burn the Qu'ran day?

Let's see if I have this straight...

Burning an American flag is OK...that's just "expression."

A cartoon of Mohammed...is that OK today still?...that's just expression.

Burning a Bible is just expression, last I checked.

Beating your wife in Sharia is acceptable.

Executing a convert to another faith is acceptable in Sharia.

Institutional hatred of Jews *and* Christians *and* Buddhists is acceptable in Sharia.

But burning a Koran, that's just hatred!

Have I got this correct?
 
juantoo3 said:
Let's see if I have this straight...

Burning an American flag is OK...that's just "expression."

A cartoon of Mohammed...is that OK today still?...that's just expression.

Burning a Bible is just expression, last I checked.

Beating your wife in Sharia is acceptable.

Executing a convert to another faith is acceptable in Sharia.

Institutional hatred of Jews *and* Christians *and* Buddhists is acceptable in Sharia.

But burning a Koran, that's just hatred!

Have I got this correct?
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I think it is far easier for a civilized man to act the barbarian, than it is for a barbarian to act civilized...regardless of what stripe is worn...
 
17th Angel said:
Being the faith of peace and submission...
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Show me the Christian church or Jewish synagogue in Mecca or Medina where the worshipers are free to worship without fear of reprisal from the state, without prejudice, without fear...then I will believe that platitude. Until then, it is what it is...untrue.
 
juantoo3 said:
Show me the Christian church or Jewish synagogue in Mecca or Medina where the worshipers are free to worship without fear of reprisal from the state, without prejudice, without fear...then I will believe that platitude. Until then, it is what it is...untrue.
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Sallam means "peace". Islam means "submit". Logically the title of the faith kind of says it all.
 
Words are obviously not what count, and I guess there are many perfect examples of this... And isn't islam's meaning "submission" see... I take that as a negative passive aggressive thing..... Even if I stop being "racist" for a second and pick any other faith of peace and love.... If they are all what they say on the tin, and the majority of mankind having an affiliation with one of them.... Why are there still problems such as what is going on right now?
 
Quahom1 said:
I think it is far easier for a civilized man to act the barbarian, than it is for a barbarian to act civilized...regardless of what stripe is worn...
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Ah! As it is easier to cry "hatred!" and point a finger rather than face reality?

I don't hate, I certainly don't hate Muslims. Neither do I buy into the crap being floated around that suggests some pie in the sky fantasy.

There is concession everywhere to people who act like spoiled brats. Any parenting class will teach not to give in to spoiled brat behavior...it reinforces it. These same people to whom concession is being made have no intention of meeting halfway, and as long as their behavior gets them what they want they will continue until we give them everything and there is nothing left to give. Wrong answer in my book.

Islam is not a religion of peace as it is applied today...it is a religion of attrition. There is no room for coexistence...and since there is no room for coexistence, I have no reason to molly-coddle.
 
juantoo3 said:
Names are often abused. 1984, anyone? Islam = submit, you hit the nail on the head.

Prepare to be assimilated...
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That is how I see the word.... Passive aggressive and it is EXACTLY what is happening in the towns cities and dare I imagine even now VILLAGES! of my fair island... Passive aggressive domination... Road signs changing into arabic..... arabic...... This is England. Changing take away places to their way of eating... Nile toilets... Wanting to bring sharia law.... Abusing our soldiers.... Taking advantage of our systems.... It's all the little things... And you dare to stand in opposition to these little things your an evil racist nazi with hate burning in your heart just for wanting to simply preserve things how they should be. We are being made as a nation to submit...

I think there is nothing wrong with refusing to lower shields for the borg ;)

123, high five.
 
17th Angel said:
That is how I see the word.... Passive aggressive and it is EXACTLY what is happening in the towns cities and dare I imagine even now VILLAGES! of my fair island... Passive aggressive domination... Road signs changing into arabic..... arabic...... This is England. Changing take away places to their way of eating... Nile toilets... Wanting to bring sharia law.... Abusing our soldiers.... Taking advantage of our systems.... It's all the little things... And you dare to stand in opposition to these little things your an evil racist nazi with hate burning in your heart just for wanting to simply preserve things how they should be. We are being made as a nation to submit...

I think there is nothing wrong with refusing to lower shields for the borg ;)

123, high five.
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Ah, but the only way to beat the "borg", is to have inate knowledge on how they work inside and to modulate the frequencies, faster than they can compensate.

Same lesson applies here.
 
Yes that is true Quahom, I only used the borg reference cause 123 said about prepare to be assimilated. And I agree they run like this.... But I don't truly believe them to be exactly like the borg of course lol...

They are after all humans, and believe it or not I hold no hatred of them. I just refuse to accept them assimilating us lol.... And surely, unlike borg.... Surely... They can be reasoned with.

However, I am curious... What examples of compensating and changing would you suggest are the best methods to the situation?
 
Saltmeister said:
Yeah, right. If you are in opposition to radical Islam you do not need to burn Qurans. If you are talking about radical Islam you are not talking about the whole of Islam but a faction within it. The Quran represents the whole religion so by burning the Quran it is an attack on the whole religion. If Terry Jones wants to oppose radical Islam he should study radical Islamic views and try to educate radical-minded Muslims why radical Islam does not fulfill Islamic ideals. If he wants to convince people that radical Islam is evil he should be telling Muslims to fight against it.
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Salty, with due respect, you're one of the good guys...but if you know so well how to do this...why aren't you doing it?

I live in Gainesville, but I don't know this pastor from Adam. I accidentally drove by that church a year ago looking for yard sales but I can't tell you now where it is...and with all of the media frenzy I have no intention of trying to find it.

The act itself is every bit as preposterous as burning a Bible to a Christian, or burning an American flag to a patriotic American...but isn't that the point?

The media wants to infuse this with hatred...but that's leftie louies for ya. Personally, since moderate Islam seems to be so mute, I think this is a wonderful provocation to get them to find their vocal chords...and start convincing their more radical brethren...rather than sitting back mutely enjoying the headway and *ground* gained by the radicals.

This is a chance for people on all sides to find their voices and USE them!!!

And just watch, the little butthole mayor of G'ville is gonna bust this pastor for burning without a permit or some such BS...Freedom of speech/expression my ass, such freedoms are reserved *only for those we approve of.* :rolleyes: That's lefties for ya, 'specially 'round here.

I wonder where the ACLU will be for this one?
 
17th Angel said:
Yes that is true Quahom, I only used the borg reference cause 123 said about prepare to be assimilated. And I agree they run like this.... But I don't truly believe them to be exactly like the borg of course lol...

They are after all humans, and believe it or not I hold no hatred of them. I just refuse to accept them assimilating us lol.... And surely, unlike borg.... Surely... They can be reasoned with.

However, I am curious... What examples of compensating and changing would you suggest are the best methods to the situation?
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Withdraw all support for repressive governments within the region. Back all troops out to the border fringes. Let them settle their internal disputes on their own. Whomever emerges as the victor/leader/consolidator, then establish normal relations with assistance in region/nation building...with the locals as the lead and the West as an assist.

There is nothing we really need from the middle east (material wise). It is only convenient that their resources are readily available. That is greed.

We can not interfere with their way of life. That is their choice. But we do not have to compound it. However, we can contain it from spilling over into the rest of the world.
 
Surely the Pastor is a "good ole boy", "red-neck", "Appliacian Hillbilly" who, before doing this deed, should, at the least, start first with the "American Pledge of Allegiance"

The American Pledge of Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Blame his bravado on Old Glory:
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bhaktajan said:
Surely the Pastor is a "good ole boy", "red-neck", "Appliacian Hillbilly" who, before doing this deed, should, at the least, start first with the "American Pledge of Allegiance"

The American Pledge of Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Blame his bravado on Old Glory:
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Done taking cheap shots?
 
bhaktajan said:
Surely the Pastor is a "good ole boy", "red-neck", "Appliacian Hillbilly" who, before doing this deed, should, at the least, start first with the "American Pledge of Allegiance"

The American Pledge of Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Blame his bravado on Old Glory:
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Care to discuss the matter intelligently by looking at the facts on the ground?

Muslims...and Jews, and Buddhists, and people of no faith at all...are free to worship as they please without reprisal or interference, in Christian America and all other Christian nations.

How many Sharia nations allow any other religions that kind of freedom?
 
On 7 December 1941. The US was sleepily quiet awoke to Japan and Germany who were making claims on the world's "supplies and goods".

Done taking cheap shots?
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Oh Brother Q, Are you talking to me?
The red stripes are red for a reason ---first came the resoning then came the ipso-facto choice of the color red for the stripes
---who else are the stars standing for?

How's that brother Dominic, I mean Brother Q?
 
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