I'm rejecting it when the implication is that we are inherently divine by nature.
Did I ever suggest that we inherently divine by nature, Thomas? No! I never even implied such a thing -- You are projecting your own biases into my thoughts. I suggested that we are gods (elohiym) great, mighty, rulers, etc.
-- I whole heartedly agreeAs powerful as we might be, without Him, we can do nothing.
Psa 82:6 I said, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;The Tradition that wrote the text. And wrote it to imply just that ... don't argue with me, read it, and it's obvious.
Psa 82:7 nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince."
Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; for you shall inherit all the nations!
I don't see sarcasm, but rather a statement of fact -- You are gods (elohiym) but you will die like men, which is the result of the fall when we pursued evil over life --
You think? I rather thought it was more about selfish ambition than pride, but it's probably a bit of both.I don't argue that ... pride was the cause of the fall.
No! You think that I think that we are inherently divine, Thomas -- You are projecting your biases into my thoughts, and not hearing what I'm suggesting. I repeat (Again) we are gods in that we are mighty, powerful and have the ability to destroy life by further defying God, or to sustain life by surrender to God.No, I'm saying I see a greater correlation between the words of the serpent and way in which you claim 'we are gods'.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely -- I'd suggest that the churches power over the holy writ has a great deal to do with the corrupt dogma they feed to the masses -- It's kool aid, only on a much larger scale --Actually, it's the logical argument. Who is likely to understand the text betterm, those who wrote it, or those who pick it up and come to it without formation?
My point is that the church cannot be trusted with he things of God (Obviously) Something you claim otherwise --This is a specious argument, and typical. You can't make a point, so you straw-man your opponent.
Ahh yes -- The blessed Trinity which if it is denied one is immediately labeled a heretic.Do I think the Church perfect? No. Do i think the Church properly understands the way to perfection? Yes.
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
God the Godhead -- What's that? Four gods, Thomas?
As if the church has some authority over them now. Please! The church has authority over your dogma, but not over the inspired word of God, given to all men; not just the RCC who has used them to further their own bloody agendas.Then don't search our Scriptures, that's the point. It's fundamentally dishonest. "I don't like you, but I'll have off you what I like."
I'm far from being infallible, but I do question, seek, think, and attempt to understand things to the best of my ability -- I question myself often, which is why I often find myself progressing when it comes to faith issues. Stagnate waters are a breeding ground for all kinds of filth.You're also resting on your own infallibility, whereas i have come to suspect mine.
Good! That's means I'm not alone ...None of your ideas are original, GK, as much as you claim you came to them, you didn't. I know who moulds my views ... I'm not sure you do.