So something man made, like NASA's Glory, is fallible and unpredictable. But the planets, those naturally occuring heavenly objects, they are infallible and predictable? Now that is an interesting viewpoint. Who made the current set of equations used to calculate the planet motions on the website that you provided... was it a man, or NASA?
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Its a lot safer for him to put his faith in NASA than to hope some 2000 year old prophecy made by some drunkard in a Jerusalem alley comes true...but it must be Sollog you speak of, oh yes the great one you should visit him here:
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Your points are become increasingly incomprehensible.
Could you please explain what you mean?
Because frankly, I'm baffled.
Gravity, mass, inertia, density, Heliocentric orbits, caused by the above mentioned laws of physics, as first expressed in detail by uhm, "Newton, Issac" one each. The very same laws that allowed six teams of astronauts to make it to the Moon and back, and helped a crippled Apollo 13 to get home in one piece (and they made it to the Moon too).
However, Newton didn't create the original equations, at least not the original notions...That was 2000 years before...
I am afraid the bigger problem there is that citizenzen has likely never put faith in NASA saying, "NASA I believe in your vision and calculation, and with this $100 of mine I say that you are right," giving NASA his $100. The money is taken in taxes and doled out whether he likes it or not. On average I wager the organization treats their employees differently than a private sector company too. For these reasons, on a massive scale, I believe that NASA has a lot more Glory that will be going down in flames. If government is good at producing anything, I am afraid it is a black hole... debt. Now the US has the military launching former NASA projects into space, while NASA has former shuttle launch capability to talk about. I am afraid that I do see a huge bubble that is going to burst. It will be the children saying, "This was not my debt". For anyone single person's fortune, I am afraid they are better to raise up a drunkard from a Jerusalem alley. Anyone who does that, their own glory will fly and they may not even understand how or why.
What are you talking about?...
You know what? Christ said "don't worry".Just thought Victor might want to know that we may not even make it to November 17 ...
The End of the World October 21, 2011
Don't bother shopping early for Christmas. It would just be a waste of money.
Take his word...
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Your guess is as good as mine.
Her/his posts have ceased to make sense to me.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It looked to me like the point was yours: NASA makes things that can fail. NASA's Glory launch on March 4th failed. I believe it is in the bottom of the ocean. As you have stated, the relative planet positions are quite a bit more predictable. What word, sentence, or concept are you failing to comprehend?
As I read it, Victor's question deals more with his vision of madness here on this planet. I don't think Victor was too concerned with the position or terrain of other planets, do you? I believe that was Quahom1's conjecture, which Victor did seem to applaud.
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That's quite true. Q1 first proposed the idea and then Victor carried it forward from there.
MY point was that the answer to that question was quite easily revealed through any number of science-based sites that show the position of planets on any given day. Simple, right?
It would be like Q1 posting, "I think 'Quack' is an interesting word. Isn't it spelled k-w-a-c-k?"
To which Victor replied, "Yes I hear too that 'quack' is spelled k-w-a-c-k!"
To which I replied, "Excuse me, but if you look at any number of online dictionaries, 'quack' is spelled q-u-a-c-k."
The internet is filled with reference material. If you use it wisely it opens up a wealth of knowledge at the click of a button. I was trying to reveal to Victor and the thread at large that correct answer to the misinformation being spread was readily available online for anyone interested.
As for NASA ...
I still don't get your point. Mankind makes things that sometimes fail. Despite the our failings, there are natural phenomena that occur in regular and predictable patterns. There's no connection that I can discern between our failings and those natural patterns.
For example, sailors of old understood that tides went in and out, and would sail out with the tide. If moments after they lifted anchor the boat suffered an accident that put a large hole in the hull and sank it, that wouldn't mean that the tide wasn't going out, or deny the sailors understood that fact.
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Hey, Victor........ are you the same guy who wrote that essay on the apostle Paul?
..............If you are, then I have my own theory on Paul. Actually, a lot of it was inspired by stuff I have read recently. The reason why I am saying this is not because I intend to write my own essay in response, but have recently found non-Christian views that have a positive view on him.
While it may seem off-topic, I actually don't think it is. The "Paul" thing has eschatological significance. I have no intention of explaining this here now.
I believe there is something else that is of interest to you that has huge relevance to the 2012 end of the world scenario. It is something called the "Anglo-Saxon Mission."
British military insider: World War III is being staged; starting with Israel and Iran - Los Angeles LA County Nonpartisan | Examiner.com
A group of people in a place called the "City of London" are supposedly manipulating world events in a way so that when the "great cataclysm" comes they will be able to create a new world order that suits them. The new, intended world order is likely to be Western dominated just as it is now.
This group expects the "great cataclysm" to come in the form of earthquakes, nuclear launches, launch of biological weapons, solar flares and coronal mass ejections. They believe that some geophysical event will wipe out a huge proportion of the world's population and also damage important infrastructure.
Agents of the Anglo-Saxon Mission (ASM) want to prepare for the disasters ahead so that when the "great cataclysm" happens, they will be in control. Fear and panic will spread throughout the world and Western governments will implement a "lock down," transitioning into police states.
I hear that xenophobia is spreading through Europe. Did they not ban minarets recently in Switzerland? Does Britain not have a lot of close-circuit cameras? It will be the end of democracy. Western governments will become totalitarian. They will justify laws that pander to people's xenophobic sentiments. It will be like what it says in Revelation, that "it will be dangerous to buy or sell without the mark of the beast."
The ASM cabals are conspiring to start a war in the Middle-East. They are planning to draw China into a conflict and have a biological weapon released into China, wiping out much of their population. 9/11 was just one of many events that the ASM cabals manipulated.
Some say there is a "superhuman" or "inhuman" intelligence behind the activities of the ASM cabals. These inhuman agents feed on people's fear and the reason why they are manipulating world events in anticipation of the "great cataclysm" and the geophysical events that will happen around that time is because it will be the beginning of a new age. These inhuman agents are trying to prevent us from preparing for that new age by creating an atmosphere of fear.
The revolutions in Egypt and North Africa aren't necessarily a good sign. According to Christian Bible prophecy, there is supposed to be a war between two powers in the Middle East. The ASM cabals are likely to manipulate events in the Middle-East to spark a war between these two powers. Muslims will be sucked into this conflict by the cabals. I think Christians are already being sucked in too. Mubarak led Egypt away from anti-Israel politics. Now that Mubarak is gone, I think the war on Israel may soon resume.
The cabals have been successful in achieving many of their goals but there are also indications that they are behind schedule. But there is something they intend to do leading up to that date at the end of 2012.
Do a search for the "Anglo-Saxon Mission."
..............If you are, then I have my own theory on Paul. Actually, a lot of it was inspired by stuff I have read recently. The reason why I am saying this is not because I intend to write my own essay in response, but have recently found non-Christian views that have a positive view on him.
While it may seem off-topic, I actually don't think it is. The "Paul" thing has eschatological significance. I have no intention of explaining this here now.
I believe there is something else that is of interest to you that has huge relevance to the 2012 end of the world scenario. It is something called the "Anglo-Saxon Mission."
British military insider: World War III is being staged; starting with Israel and Iran - Los Angeles LA County Nonpartisan | Examiner.com
A group of people in a place called the "City of London" are supposedly manipulating world events in a way so that when the "great cataclysm" comes they will be able to create a new world order that suits them. The new, intended world order is likely to be Western dominated just as it is now.
This group expects the "great cataclysm" to come in the form of earthquakes, nuclear launches, launch of biological weapons, solar flares and coronal mass ejections. They believe that some geophysical event will wipe out a huge proportion of the world's population and also damage important infrastructure.
Agents of the Anglo-Saxon Mission (ASM) want to prepare for the disasters ahead so that when the "great cataclysm" happens, they will be in control. Fear and panic will spread throughout the world and Western governments will implement a "lock down," transitioning into police states.
I hear that xenophobia is spreading through Europe. Did they not ban minarets recently in Switzerland? Does Britain not have a lot of close-circuit cameras? It will be the end of democracy. Western governments will become totalitarian. They will justify laws that pander to people's xenophobic sentiments. It will be like what it says in Revelation, that "it will be dangerous to buy or sell without the mark of the beast."
The ASM cabals are conspiring to start a war in the Middle-East. They are planning to draw China into a conflict and have a biological weapon released into China, wiping out much of their population. 9/11 was just one of many events that the ASM cabals manipulated.
Some say there is a "superhuman" or "inhuman" intelligence behind the activities of the ASM cabals. These inhuman agents feed on people's fear and the reason why they are manipulating world events in anticipation of the "great cataclysm" and the geophysical events that will happen around that time is because it will be the beginning of a new age. These inhuman agents are trying to prevent us from preparing for that new age by creating an atmosphere of fear.
The revolutions in Egypt and North Africa aren't necessarily a good sign. According to Christian Bible prophecy, there is supposed to be a war between two powers in the Middle East. The ASM cabals are likely to manipulate events in the Middle-East to spark a war between these two powers. Muslims will be sucked into this conflict by the cabals. I think Christians are already being sucked in too. Mubarak led Egypt away from anti-Israel politics. Now that Mubarak is gone, I think the war on Israel may soon resume.
The cabals have been successful in achieving many of their goals but there are also indications that they are behind schedule. But there is something they intend to do leading up to that date at the end of 2012.
Do a search for the "Anglo-Saxon Mission."
Oh? And I am wrong? Please. 35 years of engineering at least qualifies me to Scientist with 8 years of University...if not more.
Not much difference between an engineer and a scientist, but practical application. And who tells the scientist it didn't work? ...the engineer, that tried to make it work...
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On an unrelated note, thanks for not jumping on me for implying that you don't know how to spell 'quack'.
Well if I knew "Duck", I might be a critic...On an unrelated note, thanks for not jumping on me for implying that you don't know how to spell 'quack'.
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Well if I knew "Duck", I might be a critic...
What about goose ...... as in the game that kids play.
duck.........duck........duck.........goose ......... now you have to chase the guy who tagged you with "goose."
To anyone doing the calculations... no, not so simple. Your method to debunk the 26,000 year cycle was kind of like trying to use your store bought GPS receiver to navigate on Mars. That is, from my viewpoint.
Your method was the same. The words are mere symbols. The duck makes the sound.
Yes, and where does wisdom come from?
I thought the discernment was between information provided to you by a NASA website, versus information provided to you from somewhere else. Which one are you calling the natural phenomena?
Sure. If you tell the sailors that you read from NASA scientists to be aware of the end of the Earth, and the ship sinks, do you think you were behaving with any more wisdom than Victor?
I refused to play such games. I just stood and watched (and got into trouble with the nuns/teachers)...
What sound? Does a duck's sound echo naturally? No it doesn't, but folks swear it does...
Just like this conversation of absolute truths...which are anything but...