The Present Age Passing Away

Sure. If you tell the sailors that you read from NASA scientists to be aware of the end of the Earth, and the ship sinks, do you think you were behaving with any more wisdom than Victor?

Sorry, but once again you respond in a way that I simply can't understand.

That sentence and most that preceded it are nearly nonsensical.

I suspect you do this on purpose in order to avoid a real debate.

As long as you're not clear, no one can prove that your wrong. Cool. :cool:
 
Sorry, but once again you respond in a way that I simply can't understand.

That sentence and most that preceded it are nearly nonsensical.

I suspect you do this on purpose in order to avoid a real debate.

As long as you're not clear, no one can prove that your wrong. Cool. :cool:
Are we talking the same language? (are we at par?)
 
Sorry, but once again you respond in a way that I simply can't understand.

That sentence and most that preceded it are nearly nonsensical.
Why do you think you are failing to understand?

I suspect you do this on purpose in order to avoid a real debate.

As long as you're not clear, no one can prove that your wrong. Cool. :cool:
Why do you call yourself citizenzen? I don't see the Zen in you. Debate is good, but not without experience. Experience is good, but not without relationship. Relationship is good, but not without debate. I like debate, but you appear to come to the table empty handed, so I did not wish to confront the symptom.

To answer your assertion, no. At the risk of handing alcohol to an alcoholic, I think the 2012 date has a lot more to do with this: Precession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... than any of your posts, especially the ones where you copied from your favored authority with the $1/2 billion satellite rusting away in the ocean.
 
Why do you think you are failing to understand?

Sorry for my consecutive posts. But the answer to this question should have been because you fail to write clearly.


If you tell the sailors that you read from NASA scientists to be aware of the end of the Earth, and the ship sinks, do you think you were behaving with any more wisdom than Victor?

Just look at sentences like that one.

It's incomprehensible.
 
Oh? And I am wrong? Please. 35 years of engineering at least qualifies me to Scientist with 8 years of University...if not more.

Not much difference between an engineer and a scientist, but practical application. And who tells the scientist it didn't work? ...the engineer, that tried to make it work...
So are you the mechanical engineer that designs weapons, or the civil engineer that designs targets?

To the positivist, the glass is half full.
To the negativist, the glass is half empty.
To the engineer they are both right, but that glass is twice bigger than it needs to be.
 
Does anyone have anything to say about the "Anglo-Saxon Mission?"

Even if none of the anticipated "geophysical" events happen, there is still the threat of nuclear war. The awaiting cataclysm doesn't have to be a natural disaster. It could be a bunch of cabals starting a big war because they think there's going to be a natural disaster.

According to the ASM theory, 9/11 was set up by these cabals. The global financial crisis was also done on purpose. They could even have started the SARS and swine flu outbreaks, just as an experiment.

Osama bin Laden's terrorist organisation doesn't seem to have been as powerful as we thought, but somehow, these cabals manipulated people into believing that Islam was a real threat to the West. Yes, they have bombed trains and flown planes into buildings, but they don't seem to be keeping up. Who knows? Maybe Osama bin Laden is working for the Anglo-Saxon Mission. Western forces never found Osama because they didn't want to. They wanted to maintain high levels of fear in Western society.

If the ASM cabals really do exist, then 9/11, SARS, swine flu, Islamophobia and the global financial crisis could well be part of a plan to destabilise the entire world order. These events could merely be experiments to test their methods. It is to test their ability to manufacture "disasters" by whatever social, political and economic means necessary and to cover their tracks.

These ASM cabals seem to be determined to get what they want, and if they really do exist, I think one day they will succeed. We will experience Armageddon. We will witness the apocalypse. The world will be held prisoners of chaos and fear. Only those who really understand what is happening will have a chance of escaping it.

Why was George W. Bush an idiot? Maybe it's the same reason why Charles Logan in 24 seemed like an "idiot" when we first saw him. It's because GWB and Logan were never fit to be President. They were just part of an evil plan, put there as puppets by cabals who had some other purpose for making them President. We discover later that Charles Logan was far more cunning and crafty than we first thought.

It's like what happened to Kevin Rudd. When the cabals no longer needed him, they got rid of him.

Here is a list of links to info on the Anglo-Saxon Mission.

The Anglo-Saxon Mission – Part 1 - The 2012 Scenario | The 2012 Scenario
The Anglo Saxon Mission - The Timeline - Letter from a Whistleblower
Master Plan: The Anglo-Saxon Mission, page 1
Project Camelot | The Anglo-Saxon Mission

This one is highly recommended; it contains a lot of important info:

Project Camelot | Anglo-Saxon Mission Witness interview transcript
 
Does anyone have anything to say about the "Anglo-Saxon Mission?"

Just the same thing I've said to AndrewX when he claimed that there is no doubt that aliens are visiting Earth.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


Sorry to be such an stickler about it. But I've lived 50 years and have seen too many wild conspiracy theories come and go to buy into them without adequate evidence. It seems to be a basic human need: the need to spin tales of intrigue and conspiracy, to envision secret societies manipulating the course of history and humankind.

Is it possible?

Sure.

Is it likely, especially to the extent put forth in this latest example?

I doubt it.
 
Just the same thing I've said to AndrewX when he claimed that there is no doubt that aliens are visiting Earth.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Finally, someone is talking about it!!!!!

Sorry to be such an stickler about it. But I've lived 50 years and have seen too many wild conspiracy theories come and go to buy into them without adequate evidence. It seems to be a basic human need: the need to spin tales of intrigue and conspiracy, to envision secret societies manipulating the course of history and humankind.

Is it likely, especially to the extent put forth in this latest example?

I doubt it.

Skepticism is one of the last things I wanted to hear. I want people to be interested in this theory. Does this attitude of your's have something to do with doing, thinking, practicising, pursuing Zen (I know Zen is a noun, but wasn't sure what the verb would be, wasn't sure what people did with Zen)?

Couldn't you just play along and have a little fun? Can we just assume as a premise that it's actually happening and discuss the implications? While I shouldn't impose this on you or the thread and while other theories are also possible, I thought this would be a hot-topic. Cabals controlling the world. Yay!!!!! That answers everything. The ignorant are all doomed and those who are aware of it will find a way out. This is a fairy tale story. The children of light will fight dragons, defeat them and make it to the golden city.

To me, the best approach to any world disaster to consider all possibilities, choose those you consider most likely or the most "reasonable threats" and prepare for them. If there was a God out there, He wouldn't ask us to do anything vastly incompatible with our world view.

Selling your home and being homeless because you think this is what the aliens want is asking a bit too much. It is best to continue to live the life you would live even if the end of the world didn't come. If it does come, you're still ready. I'd like to survive in both worlds. Jesus said, "store up your treasures in heaven." You can live a normal life and survive the coming destruction if you have contingencies in place.

The good thing about end of the world scenarios is that they get us thinking about what really matters. I hope Zen has helped you figure that out, but for the rest of us who don't have Zen, this is a wake-up call.
 
Skepticism is one of the last things I wanted to hear.

It should be one of the first things you'd want to hear.

Otherwise people would be taken in by any scam or story.

A healthy degree of skepticism isn't a bad thing.
 
It should be one of the first things you'd want to hear.

Otherwise people would be taken in by any scam or story.

A healthy degree of skepticism isn't a bad thing.

Scams aren't allowed on this site. This is a discussion, not a scam.

Don't you wanna play the game of being interested?:D
 
Folks, there's actually a pretty well established group (has been for decades) with a far more sinister design on things than a lot of us would care to admit. The idea alone is definitely unpleasant, but it must be faced, as must those who are working to engineer anything other than a truly sustainable society for the long-term future.

You see, there are those who are truly in `this' for nothing more than themselves ... and unfortunately that definition of `self' sometimes matches `this' in the most horrible ways imaginable.

At the opposite end of the spectrum are the Forces of Light and Love, and these are now as dependent as always upon HUMANITY to help shift the balance, and this means *of necessity* letting certain ancient tendencies go, once and for all. Either we shall have a New World, in which every person has a part to play [however small], and in which the Rights and Responsibilities of all people are acknowledged and defended ...

... or we may not have a world much longer, at all. :(

The in-between are the bulk of the world's population: awakening, eager for assistance, and certainly no longer content to remain second-class. This is the case whether these people are in `3rd-world' countries or not, although it is clear that in many places we must start with the bare necessities in order to even give these people a chance.

Meanwhile, our world quakes and quivers, and - begging pardon - you have to pretty much be an idiot, or have your head in the sand, if you can't see what's happening. The same folks who refuse to see the Beauty all around them will also deny anything besides a blind, mechanistic, strictly material world ... as atheism is perhaps the greatest blight on Human society of all time, second only to plain old apathy.

Make no mistake, those who fight for their own selfish ends are not atheists, and by no means are they apathetic. They have simply defined their boundaries as far as what, or who, they care about.

And those who most of us either know, count ourselves among, or aspire to assist ... either serve the Plan consciously and with some degree of awareness of that fact, or on some level, with some awakening yet still significant degree of that same awareness.

One world, One people

Astrological eras are a scientific FACT; this was known and accepted by modern astronomers more than 100 years ago. We also know about a precessional cycle, and the fact that we transit from one age into another every 2100 years or so. There are those who will argue, with good reason, that we entered Aquarius in the year 1900. They are correct.

Others will argue that the role of World Teacher was assumed by that individual officially in 1942 [I believe it was; I'd have to double check]. This too is correct, thereby making the Aquarian Era transition some 7 decades past. In both cases, it should be realized that we are witnessing are not simply the birth pangs of a new age, but also the last-ditch efforts of the forces which OPPOSE our progress, hoping to prevent a smooth transition.

God-willing, our transition will go more smoothly ... but the funny thing there is, God has less to do with that than some people want to believe. In this, it's not the atheists who are right - it's those who keep reminding us, we are the arbiters of our own destiny, NOT some outside force or set of forces [either for good, OR for evil].

Yet things would go SO much more smoothly, if only we had a little more Faith - that indeed, there are Those Who are seeking to assist us now, and especially now ... and also if we were willing to sacrifice a little bit more and demonstrate this in some real, tangible effort in the world today. Remember, *thoughts are things*. Therefore, thought too, IS tangible.

my 2 cents
 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
I think where we differ is:

A. Should the proof (or counter proof) come from the person or entity that makes the claim?
B. Should the proof (or counter proof) come from the person or entity deemed the most credible?
C. Should the proof (or counter proof) come from the person or entity elected by others?
D. Should the proof (or counter proof) come from yourself, if you care to?
E. Should the proof (or counter proof) come from the physical elements themselves, by experiment or observation?

When a person cites 'A', or 'B', or 'C', then I tend to give them hell... so to speak, especially as they claim to value science or be a skeptic. I have seen so many examples of that lately, I am not so sure that I can number them.
 
Astrological eras are a scientific FACT; this was known and accepted by modern astronomers more than 100 years ago. We also know about a precessional cycle, and the fact that we transit from one age into another every 2100 years or so. There are those who will argue, with good reason, that we entered Aquarius in the year 1900. They are correct.

Yes, it's a fact that people have given names to constellations and that these constellations over millennia change their position in our sky. But it's just celestial movement. Nothing to get all worked up about.

At least we know that now. It's understandable that people with less knowledge about their place in the universe or how it is made up would attach myths to mystique to something quite natural.
 
Yes, it's a fact that people have given names to constellations and that these constellations over millennia change their position in our sky. But it's just celestial movement. Nothing to get all worked up about.

At least we know that now. It's understandable that people with less knowledge about their place in the universe or how it is made up would attach myths to mystique to something quite natural.
citizenzen, if you are the last to find out about these things ... it really won't bother the rest of us.

Seriously, dude, I may have once held that special honor; but in your case, I think I can make a few exceptions. ;)

In short, people who are more knowledgeable sometimes realize they have to pull their head out, and own up to a few things. Instead of acting like you know better, try asking a few questions here and there. It would sure show that you have a genuine interest, instead of genuine ignorance.

For example, did you know that there is a star in the constellation Pleiades which is the central system around which our system orbits?

Or, since you clearly have no idea regarding the Wisdom of the ancients, try researching the Vedic astrological teachings regarding the periods of rotation and revolution for our entire Milky Way. Yes my friend, I think you'll see that those "people with less knowledge about their place in the universe" who "attach[ed] myths to mystique to something quite natural" just somehow managed to reckon a pretty close figure for something that modern astronomers are just now figuring out.

Ah, the ignorance of the modern quasi-mind that thinks it knows more than the ancients ... or just others.

Makes me rather sick. Puke sick. Disgusts me. :(

Healthy skepticism is one thing. This ... this is quite another.

Go heckle someone else.
 
Wait wait wait ... on 2nd thought, citizenzen, I hear they've got an opening with the thought police just up the road from you. Now that you've made it clear how effective you are at correcting such backward-thinking blokes as myself, I think you're JUST the man for it.

For real, I will endorse you wholeheartedly, because it SUITS YOU to the T.
 
Ah, third time's the charm! I just remembered, "If at first you don't succeed ...." ;)

So, in order to illustrate a better example, here you go, citizenzen:

What makes you think that some of the ancients didn't understand our world far better than many a modern scientist?

Why do you believe that our modern understanding is necessarily superior?

And what is it in your life that has led you to your current view of things, wherein astrology doesn't hold place for you as a Sacred Science as it does for some of the rest of us? In other words, what led you to your current views on things?

Is that better?

You see? I can play ball too; I've probably just been sitting in a cave too long. Or something! :rolleyes:

cheers! :)
 
It was never mean't as an end time event! I just do not see what part of that people do not understand...even Mayans living today do not look at it as an end time event only the end of an ancient calendar. You know its real pathetic in my opinion when all anyone has to do is sit around and worry about when we are all no longer going to be here. We have "Prophecy Pimps" to thank those who sit around and dream up answers to this stuff in order to create a scare mongering tactic. Things like this is the very reason that if it ever does happen people are going to ignore it because you can only cry wolf so much.
 
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