Satan and his fallen angels

bob x said:
a bastardized word of your own creation, mixing up Latin and Hebrew because you don't understand either.
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I understand latin its very close to the english language. Es spiritus sancti. Sanctification of the spirit. As far as hebrew well if you know the consonants its not difficult to figure out the vowels. Its like a cryptogram with clues. I was brought up to speak english but it doesnt mean I dont understand what I am talking about.
All languages function this way.

I have been talking about religion a lot but politically I support world peace through understanding and friendship and knowledge that progresses the world.

There is also christs military. The things we battle with ourselves . So what brings world peace. Acts of kindness. I am a firm believer in a religious sense of michael the archangel and his armies, but isnt the battle between good and evil using good thing. God is slow to anger but when he does get angry its a holy righteous anger to save someone from harm. So what needs to be destroyed ......hate with love....cruelty with compassion..and this is done through acts of kindness. No matter who you are ,l where you are we all have this in us. The powers of god and the angels are literal powers but these are the essences of them.
 
Gatekeeper said:
So .... I've been thinking again! This time about my position on what makes one an adversary to God. What I once thought to be imperfections, has now turned into something much more sinister.

Scripture tells us Satan and his fallen angels were cast to the earth -- Does this suggest that Satan roams the earth as an individual and that his minions walk among mankind?

What if ... scripture suggests something completely different? Scripture tells us that we are but dust and ashes. We were created from the dust of the ground according to scripture. The serpent (Who represents Satan) was cursed to consume the dust of the ground for the rest of his days, so could it be that Satan (Our carnal desires?) was cursed to consume mankind who were made from the dust of the ground?

I think "Satan" is a metaphor for that part of man that in opposition to both us and God, the part of man that wishes to rule and control. We (Mankind) are the fallen ones, cast out of heaven (Eden/paradise) because we submitted to Satan (The adversary) In us.

Humans by and large are consumed by selfish ambition, which leads many to attempt to control others and the world we live in by force. Could Satan then simply be the part of mankind's nature that is disobedient to Gods will, that part of us that is in opposition to us, God, and Gods love?

Many have certainly become the servants of their carnal desires, where they attempt to rule over others and the world we live in. If Satan is in fact our carnal desires, this would in effect make carnal man servants of Satan, to whom many have pledged their allegiance, defying God and living in opposition to His love and will for us.

We are called gods "elohiym" (Or angels) in scripture for a reason, I believe this is so we might realize "who" we are, and what we need to do to make things right. Mankind is on the fast track to destruction unless we surrender ourselves to God and His love, forsaking that part in us that is in opposition to God (Our carnal nature) which I believe to be Satan (The adversary).


GK
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I am in agreement with psychologist Carl Jung that what we refer to as god(s), devil(s), angels, demons, djinn, Nephilim, vampires, werebeings, etc. are all ancient archetypal images embedded deep within our unconsciousness. They are brought to our consciousness through our symbolic experiences.
 
Nick the Pilot said:
Etu,

If Lucifer doesn't exist, then why do you call yourself a Luciferian?
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The archetype Lucifer most represents what we are about.
I guess we could also be called Prometheans, Setians, Ahrimans, etc.
Antinomianism is quite useful in our system, and the symbolism of Lucifer works well in this approach.
 
Gatekeeper said:
So .... I've been thinking again! This time about my position on what makes one an adversary to God. What I once thought to be imperfections, has now turned into something much more sinister.

Scripture tells us Satan and his fallen angels were cast to the earth -- Does this suggest that Satan roams the earth as an individual and that his minions walk among mankind?

What if ... scripture suggests something completely different? Scripture tells us that we are but dust and ashes. We were created from the dust of the ground according to scripture. The serpent (Who represents Satan) was cursed to consume the dust of the ground for the rest of his days, so could it be that Satan (Our carnal desires?) was cursed to consume mankind who were made from the dust of the ground?

I think "Satan" is a metaphor for that part of man that in opposition to both us and God, the part of man that wishes to rule and control. We (Mankind) are the fallen ones, cast out of heaven (Eden/paradise) because we submitted to Satan (The adversary) In us.

Humans by and large are consumed by selfish ambition, which leads many to attempt to control others and the world we live in by force. Could Satan then simply be the part of mankind's nature that is disobedient to Gods will, that part of us that is in opposition to us, God, and Gods love?

Many have certainly become the servants of their carnal desires, where they attempt to rule over others and the world we live in. If Satan is in fact our carnal desires, this would in effect make carnal man servants of Satan, to whom many have pledged their allegiance, defying God and living in opposition to His love and will for us.

We are called gods "elohiym" (Or angels) in scripture for a reason, I believe this is so we might realize "who" we are, and what we need to do to make things right. Mankind is on the fast track to destruction unless we surrender ourselves to God and His love, forsaking that part in us that is in opposition to God (Our carnal nature) which I believe to be Satan (The adversary).


GK
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There is no such a thing as satan as a being. Satan is but an evil emanation. A concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man. Therefore, it is no adversary of God. God has no adversary. God is absolutely One.

Emanations of Men

In good men, they are called angels. In bad men men, they are called demons. Either way, they originate in men. They are our own anxieties, feelings, pains, preayers, wishes, desires, dreams, plans, thoughts, etc.

According to Sigmund Freud, these emanations are personifid in our dreams as unfulfilled wishes during the conscious part of our days.

As Jacob went out from Beersheba toward Haran, he lighted upon a certain place, which he later called Betel, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set. He set some stones for his pillows and lay down to sleep. And he had a dream.

Behold, in his dream, a ladder was set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold the angels of God ascended and descended on it.

Interesting to notice, the angels would first ascend and then descend on the ladder. It means that the angels were emanations that were issued from Jacob in terms of his anxieties in desperation for an answer from God to his uncertainties about his future in a strange land where he knew and was known of none. (Gen. 28:10-15)

In the morning Jacob's fears were gone. He had all the answers to his emanations in emanations of certainties back to him from God.
(Gen. 28:16-22)

Conclusion: That's what angels are. Emanations which get personified in the dreams of unfulfilled wishes in the awaken state. Then, in the NT, they took the form of divine beings, and Hellenism took care that it became a mystery.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
Conclusion: That's what angels are. Emanations which get personified in the dreams of unfulfilled wishes in the awaken state. Then, in the NT, they took the form of divine beings, and Hellenism took care that it became a mystery.
Ben
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If no one were to 'invent' these creatures do you really think they would pop up in your dreams? According to Jung these are archetypal structures that are a part of the Collective Unconsciousness, in order for them to be a part of this they had to be 'designed' by Mankind's imagination first.

In a non-indoctrinated psyche these 'emanations' will never appear and no one would speak of them for they need to be created first by imagination like a fiction character.
 
Etu Malku said:
If no one were to 'invent' these creatures do you really think they would pop up in your dreams? According to Jung these are archetypal structures that are a part of the Collective Unconsciousness, in order for them to be a part of this they had to be 'designed' by Mankind's imagination first.

In a non-indoctrinated psyche these 'emanations' will never appear and no one would speak of them for they need to be created first by imagination like a fiction character.
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I think I have answered this post already. Anyways, I do agree with you.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
There is no such a thing as satan as a being. Satan is but an evil emanation. A concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man. Therefore, it is no adversary of God. God has no adversary. God is absolutely One.

Emanations of Men

In good men, they are called angels. In bad men men, they are called demons. Either way, they originate in men. They are our own anxieties, feelings, pains, preayers, wishes, desires, dreams, plans, thoughts, etc.

According to Sigmund Freud, these emanations are personifid in our dreams as unfulfilled wishes during the conscious part of our days.

As Jacob went out from Beersheba toward Haran, he lighted upon a certain place, which he later called Betel, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set. He set some stones for his pillows and lay down to sleep. And he had a dream.

Behold, in his dream, a ladder was set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold the angels of God ascended and descended on it.

Interesting to notice, the angels would first ascend and then descend on the ladder. It means that the angels were emanations that were issued from Jacob in terms of his anxieties in desperation for an answer from God to his uncertainties about his future in a strange land where he knew and was known of none. (Gen. 28:10-15)

In the morning Jacob's fears were gone. He had all the answers to his emanations in emanations of certainties back to him from God.
(Gen. 28:16-22)

Conclusion: That's what angels are. Emanations which get personified in the dreams of unfulfilled wishes in the awaken state. Then, in the NT, they took the form of divine beings, and Hellenism took care that it became a mystery.
Ben
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You seriously think angels are a product of ones imagination? Are you in for a big surpise when you actually see it.
 
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