Who is God?

Someone somewhere said: "if we understood who God is totally, than would He be God?" I agree with that. Each of nations individually were given only limited knowledge about Him, coming from Him. Our beliefs are subject to what we are taught and what we observe.
I believe God to be above and unlike any of His creations. He is Super Super Powerful, with Great Will of His own that He uses as He pleases. He can create and destroy, He can show Mercy, Guideance and Love, or He can leave one to wonder in ignorance if He so Wills. He is a Just God, that will not equate murderers, rapists, evil doers with good people by sending them all in one place. No. He will bring the Divine Justice to all, punishing those who deserve punishment and rewarding those who deserve reward. He sees all, hears all, knows all. Nothing is hidden to him. He is present with all at all times. He is Beautiful, like no one else He created.
 
I read somewhere that the Holy Name Allah in Islam does not specifically indicate gender. Also, it cannot be made into plural.
 
[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.



[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
 
Amica said:
I read somewhere that the Holy Name Allah in Islam does not specifically indicate gender. Also, it cannot be made into plural.
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Thats not true. They may not talk about it but allah refers to god and his female counterpart is named allatu. The black stone at chobar represents the muslim woman also representing allatu which women are in the image of. They kiss the stone to symbolically represent the bringing up of the woman into union with them because they believe because of the fall women was brought lower than man but also that the male and female lost the threefoldoneness,
 
Amica said:
I read somewhere that the Holy Name Allah in Islam does not specifically indicate gender. Also, it cannot be made into plural.
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It is the prefix al- "the" (that is, The One and Only) which makes it impossible to be plural; without it, ilah is "(a) god" with plural ilahin "gods" (of a pagan polytheism). It is specifically masculine gender: ilat is the feminine form, "goddess", and pre-Islamic Arabs often spoke of Allat "The Goddess."
donnann said:
Thats not true. They may not talk about it but allah refers to god and his female counterpart is named allatu. The black stone at chobar represents the muslim woman also representing allatu which women are in the image of.
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No. Absolutely everything that was sacred to Allat, Muhammad ordered destroyed. Islam has no place for anything but the purely male "God".
 
bob x said:
It is the prefix al- "the" (that is, The One and Only) which makes it impossible to be plural; without it, ilah is "(a) god" with plural ilahin "gods" (of a pagan polytheism). It is specifically masculine gender: ilat is the feminine form, "goddess", and pre-Islamic Arabs often spoke of Allat "The Goddess."

No. Absolutely everything that was sacred to Allat, Muhammad ordered destroyed. Islam has no place for anything but the purely male "God".
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Back in 1996 I started going through all the religions books to include Islam and came across information on the documentation within Islam about Allatu which is the female counterpart to Allah. With further review I also noticed that the women dressed in black and were made to walk behind the men. Then seeing the ritual with the black stone at Chobar representing Allatu but also the muslim women wearing black , the color of the stone,and the men kissing the stone I realized they were attempting to use the ritual to bring the women back into oneness with them as it was before the fall. The distortions and the abuse of women I do not agree with but the point is the muslim religion does have a female counterpart to GOD. All religions do.
 
donnann said:
Back in 1996 I started going through all the religions books to include Islam and came across information on the documentation within Islam about Allatu which is the female counterpart to Allah.
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If you claim to have any "documentation" the proper thing to do is to name your source. It would be hard to say that any such thing is "within Islam" when you will not find any adherents of Islam who agree with it. The worship of Allat was repudiated as gross idolatry along with the worship of every other "deity" besides Allah.
donnann said:
With further review I also noticed that the women dressed in black and were made to walk behind the men. Then seeing the ritual with the black stone at Chobar representing Allatu but also the muslim women wearing black , the color of the stone,and the men kissing the stone I realized they were attempting to use the ritual to bring the women back into oneness with them as it was before the fall.
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In other words, you made this up yourself, based on the coincidence of color. Black, you know, is not terribly uncommon. If you actually want to know what people are "attempting" to do with a ritual, you might try asking the people who are actually doing it.
 
bob x said:
If you claim to have any "documentation" the proper thing to do is to name your source. It would be hard to say that any such thing is "within Islam" when you will not find any adherents of Islam who agree with it. The worship of Allat was repudiated as gross idolatry along with the worship of every other "deity" besides Allah.

In other words, you made this up yourself, based on the coincidence of color. Black, you know, is not terribly uncommon. If you actually want to know what people are "attempting" to do with a ritual, you might try asking the people who are actually doing it.
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Late Islamic masculinization of the Arabian Goddess, Al-Lat or Al-Ilat—the Allatu of the Babylonians—formerly worshipped at the Kaaba in Mecca. It has been shown that 'the Allah of Islam' was a male transformation of 'the primitive lunar deity of Arabia.' Her ancient symbol the crescent moon still appears on Islamic flags, even though modern Moslems no longer admit any feminine symbolism whatever connected with the wholly patriarchal Allah

Is this good enough for you? I am far from an idiot and I do know what I am talking about.
 
Gatekeeper said:
Please be as specific as possible --

I ask because I'm pretty sure we will have a very broad array of answers here. I personally view God to be the sum total of all things existing, yet infinite in scope. Also, if you suggest that God is the God revealed in the bible, then please be specific about what that means to you.

Thanks,
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According to your personal views of God, any one can translate Pantheism. To me, God is Spirit. An immaterial and incorporeal Being, as if it were possible to describe God. Mine is an attempt to describe God akin to Jesus' own declaration that God is Spirit and that the only way to relate to Him is in a spiritual manner, as we have from John 4:22-24.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
According to your personal views of God, any one can translate Pantheism. To me, God is Spirit. An immaterial and incorporeal Being, as if it were possible to describe God. Mine is an attempt to describe God akin to Jesus' own declaration that God is Spirit and that the only way to relate to Him is in a spiritual manner, as we have from John 4:22-24.
Ben
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Man was created in the image of GOD so doesnt it make sense that GOD looks like A MAN? However I believe he has wings and is huge in comparision to the size and is made up of more light. I also believe he has a female counterpart just like man has woman. I think people make things more complicated than it should be.
 
donnann said:
It has been shown that 'the Allah of Islam' was a male transformation of 'the primitive lunar deity of Arabia.'
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Nothing of the kind has been "shown". ASSERTING something without any kind of proof or even argument is not "showing" anything.
donnann said:
Her ancient symbol the crescent moon still appears on Islamic flags
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The crescent was never used on Islamic flags until the Turkish period. Early Islamic flags were one-color, with no image of any kind. Muhammad himself preferred plain black. Plain green or plain red also were found.
donnann said:
Is this good enough for you?
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Not even slightly.
donnann said:
I am far from an idiot'
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I haven't called you an idiot, but:
donnann said:
and I do know what I am talking about.
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No, you don't know what you are talking about.
 
bob x said:
Nothing of the kind has been "shown". ASSERTING something without any kind of proof or even argument is not "showing" anything.

The crescent was never used on Islamic flags until the Turkish period. Early Islamic flags were one-color, with no image of any kind. Muhammad himself preferred plain black. Plain green or plain red also were found.

Not even slightly.

I haven't called you an idiot, but:

No, you don't know what you are talking about.
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What about the black stone at chobar representing the muslim woman who is in the image of allatu the female counterpart to allah? Is god arab? Hes all ethnic groups as one. Divisions are a problem arent they. Rascism is wrong for this one fact isnt it, not saying your racist but I am addressing the subject of rascism among religions and the fact that god which by the way allah is arabic for god in english, the worse thing is the abuse of women. GOD does NOT degrade his counterpart and she is the only one he calls beautiful. She is one with him , as well as equal to him but the female counterpart and feminine. Do you agree or disagree? The truth is that the whole of existence centers around this relationship which is center aka the navel of the world of one male and one female two that are one but also two as well as three. This relationship is love literally the relationship that makes us a whole entity and the reason for existing. I know why muslim men kiss the stone. The fall caused an imbalance and made the woman below the man the kissing of the stone is symbolic to bring the woman back to equalization so I am not an idiot. However I also know that all religions have the same knowledge and the divisions amoung them are simply a lack of understanding of this fact.
 
bananabrain said:
donnann,

you're just making yourself look more ridiculous. if you don't have anything sensible to say, don't bother saying anything.

b'shalom

bananabrain
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No it amazes me how women are always denied in religions. Even Jewish texts talk about the jewish goddess whom by the way was worshipped along side god until the priesthood became male dominated.
 
Women have no doubt been dismissed in religious context from ancient times throughout history to the present days, but makes you think that you being a women has anything to do with the current attitude towards you now?
In this forum anyone who doesn't back up their ramblings with...something, anything, are most often dismissed.
I have always seen the women of these forums treated with respect, the only current one I can think of is seattlegal.

If you feel that you are being mistreated because of your sex you should say so and back it up with examples, like you should with all your claims.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Women have no doubt been dismissed in religious context from ancient times throughout history to the present days, but makes you think that you being a women has anything to do with the current attitude towards you now?
In this forum anyone who doesn't back up their ramblings with...something, anything, are most often dismissed.
I have always seen the women of these forums treated with respect, the only current one I can think of is seattlegal.

If you feel that you are being mistreated because of your sex you should say so and back it up with examples, like you should with all your claims.
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I am not saying I am being mistreated. I am saying there is a denial of the facts of the female in religious texts. Its that simple. I am being treated as anyone else is. Its a discussion.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Women have no doubt been dismissed in religious context from ancient times throughout history to the present days, but makes you think that you being a women has anything to do with the current attitude towards you now?
In this forum anyone who doesn't back up their ramblings with...something, anything, are most often dismissed.
I have always seen the women of these forums treated with respect, the only current one I can think of is seattlegal.

If you feel that you are being mistreated because of your sex you should say so and back it up with examples, like you should with all your claims.
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Please excuse the double post. I just dont want you to think that I am some kind of burn a bra womans libber , I am not. I believe that god calls his female counterpart beautiful. That he loves her , protects her ect and that shes the feminine half of the whole. Not saying god doesnt have the masculine gentle nature cause he does. I have done many studies one the female in religious history and every religion has a female counterpart. Islam calls her allatu , jewish call her ashera ect. It was said that eve tempted adam into eating the apple but that adam knew better but she was neive. The denial of the female counterpart prevents union of two and keeps the imbalance of male and female which causes the problems. I simply believe in whole truth not half a creator.
 
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