Fear of God

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
Before lunitik, chop wood and carry water;
After lunitk, chop your wood and carry your water.

For God sakes, do your chopping and water carrying!
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Lunitik said:
What is meant by this?

It is because nothing changes on the surface of life, only the center is transformed.

Yet, still people avoid Truth, thinking life will cease as they know it. The classic view of sanyas doesn't help this, yet the only true sanyas is that of the ego itself. Even going to the Himalayas, it is the ego which goes, there is no fundamental change in the person, just an opposite direction.

You have to change your very being, nothing else is necessary.
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Exactly to my point. Good admission.
Now, about shutting your Pie-Hole ---that will require your full undivided attention. Can you get the job Done?
Can you get the job Done?

No further elaboration required ---results are all that's need now . . . but, . . .
Can you get the job Done?

doing the job won,
Bhaktajan
 
bhaktajan said:
Exactly to my point. Good admission.
Now, about shutting your Pie-Hole ---that will require your full undivided attention. Can you get the job Done?
Can you get the job Done?

No further elaboration required ---results are all that's need now . . . but, . . .
Can you get the job Done?

doing the job won,
Bhaktajan
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It is more directed at your statements of having things to do in this life, your avoidance of enlightenment due to the responsibilities you perceive necessary.

Krishna has not shuttered himself away from life, neither has Ram, the ascetic way has not appealed to either of these men, for changing the outer life has no affect on the inner. The only way to change your being is to transform your very center.

You want me to be quiet, yet where would you be today if Krishna had not spoken, if no one had recorded his words? You have taken spirituality as a fuel for ego, yet you know nothing of its reality.

Ego is fragile, I forgive you for your defense of it.

Yet still I will persist in killing it, for your own sake, if you allow it.
 
Originally Posted by bhaktajan
Exactly to my point. Good admission.
Now, about shutting your Pie-Hole ---that will require your full undivided attention. Can you get the job Done?
Can you get the job Done?

No further elaboration required ---results are all that's need now . . . but, . . .
Can you get the job Done?

doing the job won,
Bhaktajan
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Lunitik said:
It is more directed at your statements of having things to do in this life, your avoidance of enlightenment due to the responsibilities you perceive necessary.

Krishna has not shuttered himself away from life, neither has Ram, the ascetic way has not appealed to either of these men, for changing the outer life has no affect on the inner. The only way to change your being is to transform your very center.

You want me to be quiet, yet where would you be today if Krishna had not spoken, if no one had recorded his words? You have taken spirituality as a fuel for ego, yet you know nothing of its reality.

Ego is fragile, I forgive you for your defense of it.

Yet still I will persist in killing it, for your own sake, if you allow it.
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Yes, there is progress being made here.
This will reflect favorably on your dossier.
When the next review comes up the commitee may award you some leniency.

Be seeing you next round,
Bhaktajan
 
bhaktajan said:
Yes, there is progress being made here.
This will reflect favorably on your dossier.
When the next review comes up the commitee may award you some leniency.

Be seeing you next round,
Bhaktajan
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What committee?

The only judge is existence, God if you will.

If the committee chooses death, it only means they are hasting my return home, what concern should I have for their decision? What liberation can there be when still you depend on the views of others to justify yourself? Do not be so naive, committees only wish to imprison you.

I am already fulfilled, I am already whole, no committee can touch that.
 
Lunitik said:
What committee?

The only judge is existence, God if you will.

If the committee chooses death, it only means they are hasting my return home, what concern should I have for their decision? What liberation can there be when still you depend on the views of others to justify yourself? Do not be so naive, committees only wish to imprison you.

I am already fulfilled, I am already whole, no committee can touch that.
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Why is he bad?

Everything he proclaims is his imagination, can he even prove Krishna existed? What evidences are there that Swami Prabhupada has experienced anything of the divine? You must take it all in trust, for there is no way to prove anything he says. He is far more a scholar than a mystic, he has tried to explain the Bhagavad Gita through logic, he does not show true understanding from what I have read, I do not sense anything of the heart in his words. What I say is from my own experience, and I use scriptures only because they represent authority for people. Direct encounter is the only true scripture, for it is the only way to go beyond mere belief... can there be any other authority?

This is all I wish for all, to drop belief and see what is actually the case. How strange that someone can have no trouble believing someone split himself 1600 ways, or that a man has risen from the dead, yet they find my words unbelievable. It is only because these absurdities have entered their minds when they were still young, they do not look at them as strange - it is just like Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, a child believes them until he is made aware of their truth, but even adults have fairy tales - we call just call them scripture.

I only wish to show what is the truth of those as well, it is simply childish to cling so tightly to something false when you can encounter the real.
 
Luni--

'Twas in jest, as are toooooooooooo many of his posts. His avatar should be a daily reset from the complete MPFC set (I would start with the "Gamey Leg and All" sketch).
 
None of these absurdities can help on the path to truth, they are as the parables of Jesus - merely pointers, something said to hide truth from those unworthy to hear.

I do not hide anything, I speak plainly because I feel most humans can hear them now.

Yet, again and again, I am shown this may be false.

I am repeatedly shown man has not advanced as much as it seems.
 
radarmark said:
Luni--

'Twas in jest, as are toooooooooooo many of his posts. His avatar should be a daily reset from the complete MPFC set (I would start with the "Gamey Leg and All" sketch).
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That is fine, yet jest is merely an avoidance, an attempt to lighten the mood - so to speak. It does not fly with me, for I only see an ego trying to protect itself. In the laughter of others around, he will sense he is supported, that he has a gathering behind him to compete with what is being faced.

It is simply foolish, it shows he knows nothing of himself for he still requires the support of others to guide him, he still seeks the approval of his parent in new bodies. It is time to grow up, ultimately we are each along in this world, only this realization will give any dignity to a person, only this ceases their existence as a mere extension of what is around them.

I point at that one which does not need acceptance from anyone, that one which will even die before he complies with the crowd. He will have to find this one, otherwise no one can say they have matured past childhood, not really. Then, this is a common condition, it is the very nature of the ego.

How can you ever achieve moksha, liberation, when you remain dependent on the opinions of the other? It is the very jail you are trying to break out of, it is the very reason you are not free right now!
 
The ego is not something we ourselves form, it is formed by the crowd, it is our desire to conform with what the crowd expects of us, it is based on our desire to be accepted.

Moksha happens when you realize you are accepted by existence itself just as you are, it is the realization that you cannot please everyone, that the crowd itself is utterly at odds with itself over you - some say you are beautiful, some say you are ugly, the ego comprises both and tries to form an identity, how can it be at all valid? It cannot be, yet you are already exactly as you were intended to be.

Once all of this is dropped, suddenly you see all as it actually is, now no ones opinion matters - not even your own, because mind will still come in occasionally and offer its take. All is as it is, and it is all perfect, there is no need to do anything to make it better.

This is moksha.
 
"Imaginationland" - Episode of South Park Cartoon series from America:

Imaginationland Episode III", or "Moistening of the Scrotum" (as it appears on DVD), is episode 1112 (#165) of Comedy Central's animated TV series South Park. It originally aired on October 31, 2007.[1] It is the concluding episode in a three-part story arc that won the 2008 Emmy for Outstanding Animated Program for One Hour or More.

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The speach Kyle gives about "what is really real" is seminal IMO.

It was a carthartic moment for me cause, it resolved, or simply clarified my own unresolved childhood trauma caused by my viewing "Gumby" The REAL Gumby Intro - YouTube

---Gumby & Pokey lived in an imaginary existential world of "Stuff" [like an explorer lost in a Salvation Army Surplus Warehouse] with only portals to other further 'Alice in Wonderland' inner worlds with no forseable way out--- especially for cartoon beings.
 
bhaktajan said:
"Imaginationland" - Episode of South Park Cartoon series from America:

Imaginationland Episode III", or "Moistening of the Scrotum" (as it appears on DVD), is episode 1112 (#165) of Comedy Central's animated TV series South Park. It originally aired on October 31, 2007.[1] It is the concluding episode in a three-part story arc that won the 2008 Emmy for Outstanding Animated Program for One Hour or More.

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The speach Kyle gives about "what is really real" is seminal IMO.

It was a carthartic moment for me cause, it resolved, or simply clarified my own unresolved childhood trauma caused by my viewing "Gumby" The REAL Gumby Intro - YouTube

---Gumby & Pokey lived in an imaginary existential world of "Stuff" [like an explorer lost in a Salvation Army Surplus Warehouse] with only portals to other further 'Alice in Wonderland' inner worlds with no forseable way out--- especially for cartoon beings.
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There is no way out, the only way to escape is in.
 
Lunitik said:
The ego is not something we ourselves form, it is formed by the crowd, it is our desire to conform with what the crowd expects of us, it is based on our desire to be accepted.
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No, what you are talking about is our Shadow, what we project onto others and how they perceive us. The Ego is indeed formed by us as we grow older, it IS us, it is our personality, our Ka, our Individualism.
 
Etu Malku said:
No, what you are talking about is our Shadow, what we project onto others and how they perceive us. The Ego is indeed formed by us as we grow older, it IS us, it is our personality, our Ka, our Individualism.
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I cannot agree, for I have encountered the true individual - that one who is not divided. The ego is exactly a shadow, for it is merely conceptual, it is our understanding of who we are, yet it arises and is given power by the true Self.

Find out about that one which looks on your self-identity, can it be observed?

Please find out...
 
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