Are Mormons Christians?

I remember seeing a documentary a long time ago about Christians in US politics, according to this documentary the concept of a 'Christians' as a single group (in a political context) is relatively new. It makes me think that there could have been less sympathy between the different groups at that time. Thoughts?
I think the whole idea of 'Christians in a political context' is a road we don't want to go down again, and never should have in the first place.

The term 'Christian' itself was used before the close of the Apostolic era, it's referenced in Acts "And they conversed there in the church a whole year; and they taught a great multitude, so that at Antioch the disciples were first named Christians" (11:26).

As regards Mormons, I would have thought anyone with half an ounce of common sense would look at their 'history' and draw the obvious conclusion ...

God bless,

Thomas
 
Falcon60 said:
Many Christians and pastors have become so liberal in their views that what God has revealed in His word has gotten watered down.
The liberal churches teach a completely different gospel from you. There's so little overlap that I would not call you distant cousins. If your churches were to disappear theirs would be unaffected.

A true Christian is one who has been spiritually born again. Jesus said we must be or we cannot see the kingdom of God.
A true Christian takes care of orphans and widows, is his brother's keeper, and anyone doing God's will is family to him. This is called 'True religion' by John. It is described clearly not couched in symbolic terms.

Does it matter if one believes in the Trinity, or in many gods? It certainly does. Let's say a man believes in the existence of zillions of gods on other planets and he is humble and sincere about it. He sees no reason to be born again because his church doesn't teach it. Do you believe we should say nothing to him simply because he is humble?
Its as if he has splinters in his eyes, because he just doesn't see what is wrong with what he is doing. Jesus would say to first remove the logs from our own eyes.

Christ commanded that we carry out the Great Commission. He didn't ask, he commanded.
Well its possible that commission was fulfilled, per Mark 16:20, and Jesus came he said to seek and to save that which was lost. Why are there still Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Catholics, and Hindus? There are a lot of good things about Buddhism that Jesus would not want destroyed. Hindus have an amazing culture. Jesus said he had "Many sheep that are not of this fold," but he was misunderstood when he said it. He said "My sheep hear my voice." His sheep hear his voice, but that is very different from saying what you are saying.
 
The liberal churches teach a completely different gospel from you. There's so little overlap that I would not call you distant cousins. If your churches were to disappear theirs would be unaffected.

A true Christian takes care of orphans and widows, is his brother's keeper, and anyone doing God's will is family to him. This is called 'True religion' by John. It is described clearly not couched in symbolic terms.

Its as if he has splinters in his eyes, because he just doesn't see what is wrong with what he is doing. Jesus would say to first remove the logs from our own eyes.

Well its possible that commission was fulfilled, per Mark 16:20, and Jesus came he said to seek and to save that which was lost. Why are there still Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Catholics, and Hindus? There are a lot of good things about Buddhism that Jesus would not want destroyed. Hindus have an amazing culture. Jesus said he had "Many sheep that are not of this fold," but he was misunderstood when he said it. He said "My sheep hear my voice." His sheep hear his voice, but that is very different from saying what you are saying.

I never said a true Christian does not take care of orphans and widows. However, there are a lot of folks in false religious groups who do these wonderful acts of charity because they subscribe to a "works based" theology.

The Great Commission has not been fulfilled. It can't be until the Gospel has been preached to all corners of the globe and Christ returns for his bride.

Why do you believe Jesus would not want Hinduism and Buddhism destroyed?? Anyone who comes preaching a different gospel Christ will cast out.
 
Falcon60 said:
I never said a true Christian does not take care of orphans and widows. However, there are a lot of folks in false religious groups who do these wonderful acts of charity because they subscribe to a "works based" theology.
True you did not, but you did say a true Christian must be born of the spirit. I'm saying they're the same thing, because they are so closely related as to be indistinguishable. I suppose you could pretend to take care of orphans and widows, or you could only incidentally take care of them. I don't see how you could take care of them purposely and have it not count as true religion. People don't naturally go out of their way to care for someone else's child or castoff woman. I admit you cannot tell whether someone does it for superficial reasons, but you also cannot know why people in a 'False' religion would take care of them.

The Great Commission has not been fulfilled. It can't be until the Gospel has been preached to all corners of the globe and Christ returns for his bride.
? Well yes, unless it already has, and also remember Christ's body is the church. So if his body is the Church, what might his return mean? We have two analogies for Church, Christ's body and Christ's bride. These analogies bump into each other if you take the analogies too far, because women don't marry themselves. Generally Christ's return for his bride is talking about the perfection of the church, the revelation of Jesus Christ's person in the church.

Why do you believe Jesus would not want Hinduism and Buddhism destroyed?? Anyone who comes preaching a different gospel Christ will cast out.
It has to do with how I see the meaning of antichrist. Here is my point of view of how history has played out: As predicted, many antichrists did come and many people left the faith to follow 'Doctrines of demons' which I think are 'Accusing doctrines'. This is when Catholics began to accuse Jews and one another of not being legitimate, and there were arguments about doctrines resulting divisions. Everybody was somebody else's heretic, just like it is today. The Churches tried to counter division with councils and creeds, but those did not resolve anything. Fallout with church splits and accusations continued, weakening the church and horrible leaders crept into positions of power. There were protests against the corruptions they introduced, resulting in the reformation; but it was another failed attempt. It inherited the same problems and nothing changed.

Remember that when Jesus prayed, he prayed that his followers would love one another, that they would be one, and that they would be preserved from the world. This prayer has yet to be fulfilled, despite 100 years of fundamentalist evangelical preaching, 100 years of pentecostals, 400 years baptists, Centuries of Methodists, 400 years of Calvinists and so forth. There has been no change, no real counter to antichrist. That's why you should not worry about Buddhists and Hindus.
 
Even the devil believes in Jesus and trembles. Does this make satan a christian? The mormons believe in a false Christ. When we look at their many false doctrines, some are even blasphemous, we cannot in all truthfulness consider them Christians.

Hey! Falcon, you are coming down like a real falcon; but to answer your question about the devil, yes, if the devil existed and believed that Jesus was Christ, he would be a Christian. But hey! As far as I am concerned, Christians do not have to worry that the devil is a Christian because it does not exist at all.

Devil is only a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man. As a being, or even a spiritual being, it never existed. Isn't wonderful to know that? On the other hand, not so good because now you don't have a chance to blame him for your wrongdoings. Now, it is all personal responsibility. BTW, that what James says in 1:14: "The tug and lure of our own passions tempt us. Once passion has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sins reaches maturity, it begets death."
 
Christ commanded that we carry out the Great Commission. He didn't ask, he commanded.


actually the great commission was addressed specifically to the disciples and not to 21st Century Protestants.

Also in scriptural terms the great commission is on very shaky ground as according to many bible scholars it is a later addition and not found in the earlier manuscripts, so it could be called the great omission because it was not there in the first place ?
 
What Christ taught, the apostles were to continue to teach others. His instructions were to go to all nations and that he would be with us until the very end of the age. Christians of every generation since have been following this command. The Christian church is to be God's witnesses until Christ returns.

It is not a later addition as we see it in other places including Mark's gospel. Acts 1:8 tells us to be the Lord's witnesses.

If we don't do it, how will others know about Jesus Christ?
 
What Christ taught, the apostles were to continue to teach others. His instructions were to go to all nations and that he would be with us until the very end of the age. Christians of every generation since have been following this command. The Christian church is to be God's witnesses until Christ returns.

It is not a later addition as we see it in other places including Mark's gospel. Acts 1:8 tells us to be the Lord's witnesses.

If we don't do it, how will others know about Jesus Christ?

the great commission is likely a later addition. Plus suggesting that it applies to 21st Century Protestants is I think reading to much into the scripture.
 
Great Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Textual critics note that the portion of Mark 16 which records the commission is not found in two of the oldest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, the Codex Vaticanus Graecus 1209 and the Codex Sinaiticus.

Mark 16:14-16
14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

according to the text he was speaking to his disciples at the time, not to every christian that followed.
 
Any church that uses books besides the Bible are not Christians. Many of what Mormonism teaches come from the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and their other writings which they deem are scriptures.

Following your reasoning, Catholics that use Catechisms therefore are not true Christians? In many Catholic churches here in the Midwest, Catholics can quote you Catechisms better than they can most scripture...

Any religious group that believes in doctrines which clearly contradicts what God has said in the Holy Scriptures, are not true Christians.

How about churches that don't believe in "biblical inerrancy", or that the earth isn't 7,000 years old, or that homosexuals shouldn't be put to death (Leviticus 20:13), are they not true Christians?
 
As regards Mormons, I would have thought anyone with half an ounce of common sense would look at their 'history' and draw the obvious conclusion ...

Thomas - it sounds like you're in the "Mormons aren't Christians" camp. Do you think Lutherans are Christians? How about Unitarians, are they Christians? Where exactly do you draw the line in the sand between Christians and non-Christians?
 
What Christ taught, the apostles were to continue to teach others. His instructions were to go to all nations and that he would be with us until the very end of the age. Christians of every generation since have been following this command. The Christian church is to be God's witnesses until Christ returns.

It is not a later addition as we see it in other places including Mark's gospel. Acts 1:8 tells us to be the Lord's witnesses.

If we don't do it, how will others know about Jesus Christ?

You say above that, "What Jesus taught, the apostles were to continue to teach others." Now, I have a question for you. Every time Jesus sent his apostles on a mission of evangelization to teach the gospel of salvation, he would warn his apostles not to take it to the Gentiles and not even enter a Samaritan town. That's in Matthew 10:5,6. Does it mean that what Jesus taught was not be taught to the Gentiles but to the Jews only? It is true that, after Jesus was gone, the apostles organized the sect of the Nazarenes and chose Peter to take the gospel to the Gentiles. But I do not understand Jesus' attitude to warn them not to go to the Gentiles. How do you go about handling that issue?
 
Thomas - it sounds like you're in the "Mormons aren't Christians" camp.
Well they did rather come along with the 'we are the only authentic Christians' message, so it's rather a case of their deciding that everyone else is going to hell that I reject.

And their history ...

God bless

Thomas
 
I think what happens is what is called Religious Tolerance. Some feel it is being Christ-like to accept other faiths regardless of beliefs.

IowaGuy: Very likely that the pastor of such churches that don't believe all of the bible is true are not truly born again. If my pastor didn't believe in all of the bible, I would FLEE. BTW, we are under grace and not the law. Therefore no true Christian believes that gays should be put to death.

As for Catholics, I was raised in that church. Never not once did we bring our bibles. The priest read out of a huge heavy book and to this day I do not recall anything he taught. They refer to so-called "traditions as if they were scripture. Yet the problem is that they cannot prove which "traditions" were actually taught by the apostles. Any religious group that uses other books and places them on par with the Holy Bible are teaching a different gospel. They have piled on so much stuff and rules, that the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ is all but buried.
 
I accept any and all into the fold. I was pointing out why "some" believe Mormons not to be Christians. Lot like Muslims and Baha'is, Mormons have a written revelation subsequent to the New Testament.

I am not defending this view, just pointing out that "in common discourse in English in the early 21st century" many have a problem with increasing the scope of the word "Christianity".

Nor am I criticizing Mormons for this (or anything else in their creed) nor am I saying there at not good Mormons.

If "it is being Christ-like to accept other faiths regardless of beliefs" what about Wiccans and Luciferians being accepted as Christians?
 
I accept any and all into the fold. I was pointing out why "some" believe Mormons not to be Christians. Lot like Muslims and Baha'is, Mormons have a written revelation subsequent to the New Testament.

I am not defending this view, just pointing out that "in common discourse in English in the early 21st century" many have a problem with increasing the scope of the word "Christianity".

Nor am I criticizing Mormons for this (or anything else in their creed) nor am I saying there at not good Mormons.

If "it is being Christ-like to accept other faiths regardless of beliefs" what about Wiccans and Luciferians being accepted as Christians?

The Holy Bible says that no one is good. None are righteous Therefore it doesn't matter if we view some mormons or wiccans as good people. The Bible clearly teaches that the unregenerate are an enmity of God. Those who are not spiritually born again cannot see the kingdom of God. If we are truly Christians we would not "tolerate" false doctrines. Instead we must take a stand for Jesus Christ and expose it, just like the apostles.
 
Hmmm. I was talking "good" or "bad", but rather "Christian" or "not Christian".

By the logic of "f we are truly Christians we would not 'tolerate' false doctrines" if the Holy Bible is correct then should we be intolerant of Hindus, Buddhists, and anyone else who holds a differing doctrine?
 
Back
Top